I didn't hear that but Ford is a DLC hack that I thought was in the bag for Clinton, even though he hasn't officially endorsed. Mildly surprised he was out there peddling Obama spin.

I might be projecting, but I sense some of the Clinton hacks - like Begala - making more positive remarks about Obama now. Perhaps the beginning of the jumping off the Clinton ship?

Poblano (fivethirtyeight):

Any talking head mention that there is a 0% chance that either candidate could carry either of the two states this November?

(Indiana went Dem 4 times since 1892, last time in 1964)
(North Carolina went Dem once since 1968, in 1976)

At the beginning of the night I was thinking the margin of victory in Indiana was the more important, but now I'm starting to think that it's the NC margin that matters.

It looks like he is really railing her.

someone please tell me why the story is always that obama cant connect with working class voters and NEVER that clinton cant connect with educated voters??

Hillary in Feb:
Clinton today:

+1

I realize that the pro-Obama areas haven't been counted yet, but I suspect that the current margin in Indiana means that she will win the overall popular vote there.

Educated people are elitist obv.

Education is part of the left wing conspiracy and unAmerican.

there are a lot more working class voters. i think.

Hillary might be broke again

White working class voters might stay home or vote for McCain in greater numbers than "educated" voters. Either candidate will hold the "base". The question is attracting the middle 20% of the electorate.

Is this actually true? I think "educated voters" are just people who have gone to college.

I'm sure there are more "working class" voters, but I doubt it's by more than 2:1.

Clinton campaign is prepared to announce tomorrow they raised 300 million dollars overnight, though, based on the fact someone pledged $30 an hour ago, and extrapolated forward if 10,000,000 voters do the same between now and then.

Because working class voters are the ones who decide general elections?

Based on what?

I'm actually looking forward to hearing some of the usual Clinton surrogates try to spin this as a good night for her.

MSNBC says that the late deciding IN voters went for Clinton by a fairly large margin. They act like this is news. Doesn't simple logic say that if you have waited this long to decide, odds are you're not gonna pick the young upstart and instead will go with the old and safe candidate?

There's at least one alternate view. Some have argued that the late deciders go with the "default choice," which usually means the person who was favored to win that particular state.

Actually, at least in general elections, the opposite is true, although "opposite" is being used loosely here: undecided voters generally break for the challenger and against the incumbent in general elections; the theory being that if it took you all the way up until election day to decide, it usually means doubts exist about the incumbent, and voters are looking for a reason to vote differently. This actually didn't hold in the 2004 Presidential election, however, where (IIRC) undecided voters split pretty evenly.

Obviously, the circumstances are different here; Clinton isn't the "incumbent". But it does break the mold...sort of. But not really. There are some causative agents that are different in Congressional and general elections that don't exist here.

Howard Fineman said the Obama campaign thinks that the May 20 primaries (essentially Oregon) will be the day they "wrap up the nomination", because they'll hit "the majority of pledged delegates" magic number there.

CBS News calling Indiana for Clinton. Based on the wafflecrush in NC, I'm still liking how tonight is shaping up.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4073609.shtml

And according to CBS:

"Late deciders backed Clinton in Indiana by a margin of 62 percent to 38 percent for Obama. In North Carolina, Obama won late deciders by a much smaller margin of 49 percent to 48 percent."

STFU Pat Buchanan you racist bastard.

oh, I've seen estimates of the Operation Chaos voters from 2.5% - 3.5% in Ind.