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08-13-2017 , 07:14 PM
Call me crazy but I think getting rid of the most powerful white supremacist ideologue in the land is a good idea.
08-13-2017 , 07:16 PM
Appealing to Trump's sense of decency is tilting at windmills for ****'s sake guys
08-13-2017 , 07:19 PM
They're more appealing to Trump's sense of lol this guy isn't cool anymore, he's a liability, he's a loser

like how Mooch got fired, etc.
08-13-2017 , 07:19 PM

Last edited by zikzak; 08-13-2017 at 07:20 PM. Reason: Picasso always relevant
08-13-2017 , 07:19 PM
Folks,

There is an important legal distinction between a permitted event, and our US 1st-A rights.

As far as I know (and I could be wrong) this event, as scheduled, was a permitted event. At a permitted event, the US 1st-A does not apply... at all. At a permitted event, the permit holder may restrict the public from assembling & speaking. Example: if you rent a public space for your wedding, you can legally have Bob O'Shea ejected.

Under the US 1st-A, such permits cannot be rejected because of ideology. Even the most odious of the odious have a even-steven legal right to such permits.

FYI.
08-13-2017 , 07:22 PM
It's not an appeal to Trump's decency. It's an appeal to his desire to be liked, but more importantly, there are other figures in the WH who can depower Bannon and/or advise Trump in that direction. McMaster and Kelly, e.g.
08-13-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
I feel like this may be the turning point:

Lolololololl
08-13-2017 , 07:35 PM


08-13-2017 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I mean, he had already outed himself with the pound of flesh comment. may as well go all the way and piss off as many ppl as possible.
You guys have no sense of irony, apparently.
08-13-2017 , 07:38 PM
My fellow Politards,

I would like to apologize for spreading fake news.

This facebook explains...

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Originally Posted by Gregory Williams
This is my personal statement on #cville, offered only for myself, written for distribution to the press and the public. Feel free to share or use in whatever way you think best smashes fascism.

Yesterday, those of us who were in Charlottesville witnessed a Nazi murder Heather Heyer and injure many others on Water Street. This was not an accident. I was 6 feet away and saw the racist ram his car into another car, which sent other cars, people, and glass flying. I saw the bodies. I heard the screens.

The members and friends of the Raleigh-Durham IWW General Defense Committee who went to Charlottesville are all home safe. Contrary to reports that arose from video that showed us near the front of the line holding our IWW flags, no IWW members were killed. But all of us are deeply affected by what we saw and heard, and many of us will choose, in the coming days, to take time and space to care for ourselves, since we've got a long struggle ahead.

I am not just "saddened" or "disturbed" by this cold blooded murder. I am sick at heart. I feel the force of this attack not only because I witnessed it, but because we know from experience, we know from history, and we know in our bones that this was an attack on all of us, on the whole working class. This didn't start in Charlottesville and it won't end there. We are living in a period when even the small gains of the working class - and especially immigrants, black people, and other working class people of color - have created such a crisis in white supremacist, capitalist America, that the only response it can generate is to meet out horrific violence on our communities. That violence comes from organized nonstate actors like the League of the South and the National Socialist Movement in partnership with state actors like ICE, the cops, and the department of injustice.

That was why the IWW General Defense Committee was in Charlottesville in the first place, and it is why we will be in the streets again. More importantly, it is why we will be organizing our workplaces and neighborhoods, running skill shares, creating food justice projects, and standing up with other organized freedom fighters against ICE and the Durham County Jail like Alerta Migratoria and Inside-Outside Alliance.

Like most others in the IWW General Defense Committee, I believe that organized worker's power is the best, indeed the only way to overcome the fascism that threatens us now but has always been an inevitable byproduct of white supremacy and capitalism in America. Neither feel good rallies that say "we're not this" from a distance, nor random, individual acts of rage, however well intentioned, will suffice. If you want to join this fight, we urge you to join an organization that uses direct action to fight fascism, preferably as part of a broader anticapitalist struggle. The IWW General Defense Committee, to which I belong, is one such organization.
08-13-2017 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Why not? I'm all sorts of OK with chasing these ****s off the public stage at any and every opportunity.
I agree. It is absolutely a tool the huge majority should use against an insane and irrational minority. Freedom of speech is a two way street (unless you are conservative I guess). Obviously it can't include violence but this should be used at EVERY opportunity.

What I don't understand from that clip is while it seemed the police were escorting him to safety they also seemed to tackle him to the ground at one point.
08-13-2017 , 07:50 PM




Everyone whining about slippery slopes is living in a fantasy world where the courts and the police are neutral arbiters. No, man, cops already picked a side. That's why they are cops.
08-13-2017 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Call me crazy but I think getting rid of the most powerful white supremacist ideologue in the land is a good idea.
Bannon ain't even in the top 5.
08-13-2017 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf




Everyone whining about slippery slopes is living in a fantasy world where the courts and the police are neutral arbiters. No, man, cops already picked a side. That's why they are cops.
I here at Westlake Seattle now. All the diaper boyz are hiding. Having a nice iced coffee with the Bernie bros.
08-13-2017 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fatkid
I feel like this may be the turning point:

Good for them. I mean TIKI brand pitchfork+torch matched sets would have been another way to go.
08-13-2017 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Call me crazy but I think getting rid of the most powerful white supremacist ideologue in the land is a good idea.
Yea, but Trump's not getting impeached over this.
08-13-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Chippa58
Unfortunately yeah. Remember it is unpopular or offensive speech which needs constitutional protection. Non-controversial speech is permitted in even the most repressive regimes. That said, openly conspiring to commit crimes in a public forum probably crosses the line of politically protected speech. And clearly bringing weapons to the protest instantly made this an unlawful assembly.

The question now is what to do moving forward. I think confrontation will only make the white supremacists stronger. They'll gain much more media attention when they're having violent clashes with counter-demonstrators than they would when its just them and the cops. They have a right to speak. We still have a right to ignor. Meantime, its not impossible to believe that free speech/hate speech will come before a court at some point in the near future, maybe the Supreme Court. How would you expect this court to decide?
You can confront them with nonviolent protest. Which would only make them weaker and trump and the rest could not do that, its both sides, routine as well. I know damn hippies.
08-13-2017 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by lycosid
Yea, but Trump's not getting impeached over this.
More important point for all the "Impeach Trump" people is to start to learn that none of this would ever result in 67/100 Senators voting him out of office even if impeachment were to occur.
08-13-2017 , 08:18 PM




When people talk about hegemony of property rights this is what they mean. Even a decent guy touts no property damage as a good thing when 3 people died and dozens were injured because of bad police prep.

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08-13-2017 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
When people talk about hegemony this is what they mean. Even a decent guy touts no property damage as a good thing when 3 people died and dozens were injured because of bad police prep.
Just imagine how much it's gonna cost that one guy to fix his bumper and clean off all the blood.
08-13-2017 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
It's hard for a Brit to get his head around why the constitution is held to be so sacred (apart from reasons of heritage) when it allows the election of a Trump figure who is terminally untrustworthy, unopposable in practical terms and who, with his finger on the nuclear button, has power of life and death over most of the planet.

I thought it was this kind of scenario (unrestrained abuses of government power) that the constitution was designed to prevent (though I'm probably wrong).
No, our constitution is very poorly written. We are like the only "democracy" in the world with a system that gives the president so much power. There is a reason that nearly every other democracy in the world has adopted the parliament/prime minister system. It's really been luck so far that we haven't had a strongman president like trump. In nearly every other government which was set up like ours wiht a presidential system, eventually the country has slipped into dictatorship. Hell, even when we engage in nation building, we don't set up the new countries with a system like ours, we set them up with a parliamentary system (Ie: Iraq).
08-13-2017 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!


For those who aren't familiar, these are complementary, not competing, organizations. There is a large degree of overlapping membership.

The ACLU, which grew out IWW defense of the Palmer Raids, concerns itself with high-level lawyering long after the fact, primarily through amicus briefs on appeals.

The NLG are the legal "tip of the spear". These are the folks who set up and man hot-lines and provide the immediate legal support needed for those arrested on the streets, and these are the folks who put themselves in harm's way being Legal Observers.



As much as the ACLU needs $$$$, the NLG needs $$$$ more.

https://www.nlg.org/
Is there some way to donate anonymously to these w/o giving them your email and home address?
08-13-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
Call me crazy but I think getting rid of the most powerful white supremacist ideologue in the land is a good idea.
Steve Bannon is the second most powerful white supremacist ideologue in the land. DUCY?
08-13-2017 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson


Yeah these ****ing idiots forgot there was a reason the original klan members wore hoods...
08-13-2017 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Orwell
I have no particular love for the idealized “worker” as he appears in the bourgeois Communist’s mind, but when I see an actual flesh-and-blood worker in conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I do not have to ask myself which side I am on.
It's the pretend freedom lovers in 7.0 and think they like Orwell and that he wouldn't dislike them who need to see this quote more than here in alpha, but it's a good quote and appropriate.

      
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