I know right? Why are people ignoring all the rallies antifa starts to claim superiority and wish death on all white people? Why are people ignoring 3 prominent antifa in the White House? Why are they ignoring the antifa bomb plot in OKC that was just thwarted?

https://www.cjr.org/united_states_pr...-editorial.php

they were traitors to the Crown, don't forget

I believe our values are stronger than that.

I highly doubt that most of the people who showed up to protest the white supremacists in Charlottesville were left wing extremists. God help us all if that's the case. I would like to think that an overwhelming majority of the middle 50% on the political spectrum would be disgusted by David Duke and Richard Spencer.

There will always be a big risk of violence at these sorts of events for at least two reasons. First, the alt-right absolutely wants some amount of violence at these events because it generates publicity. Second, it's pretty hard for decent people to listen to this ****, especially if they are there in person, without getting steaming ****ing mad.

Man, that ****ing editorial. The ****?

Dont see how this is relevant. Should we be erecting Benedict Arnold statues?

Watch the videos. There's a few read flags but also a ton of them that look like they could have been at the Women's March. I'd have been there if I lived nearby.

of course the "left wing violence" tack is just absurd

nazi'ism has violence hard-baked in


bad reactions on the left

bad proactions on the right


one shows poor judgment

the other shows garbage motivation

I don't think we need to idolize people as statues at all tbf

Lol, why should we bother with telling those dummies they are not repressed. If they are dumb enough to think they are repressed telling them they are not accomplishes nothing but wasting time and nazis furthering their hatred.

This is a discussion we have had numerous times here in the past year and a large number of people agree that trying to convince dumb or ignorant people what they are doing is bad and we should all work together has been a proven failure.

So then the response pivots to people are being made more dumb, mean and ignorant because they are being told they are dumb, mean and ignorant.

The burden is on them at this point to educate themselves and grow. As has been discussed in this thread many are at least partially educated.

Any white male in the US who things they are repressed are a total lost cause in terms of educating them directly. You have to actually clearly and constantly tell them who they are and it’s on them to actually change who they are and how they act.

Being white in America is like winning the lottery twice. If you still think you're oppressed you're a racist idiot.

He just can't help himself, it's truly amazing.

Cotton Hill would be a great account as a gimmick. Too bad it is not satirical at all.

I kinda sympathize with these alt-right guys, and I'm not racist. So they must not be that bad.

-- Cotton Logic

WTF?

Apparently right-wing media is really playing up antifa. Even my low-info conservative acquaintances know who antifa is. Low to medium-info liberals have no idea.

Do you think the majority of this thread has the same values as you do?

Maybe this is heresy, but I sometimes wonder if 1st Amendment absolutism is trumping common sense in this country. Do we really have to put up with this **** in order to have a free society. Is minimal line drawing really so impossible? Is the slippery slope really as slippery as absolutists say. Germany made it a crime to promote National Socialism, and that ban hasnt led to a widespread erosion of civil liberties.

I'm sure I'm overreacting, and I certainly don't want Trump deciding what speech is ok, but these thoughts have crossed my mind.

wtf is it with poggers and their explosive diarrhea posting? My god, stfu. Nobody wants to read your high volume serial spazz.

What you haven't said is (a) why you think that, and (b) what verifiable facts of the world back up your thinking.

This is what I was getting at, when I said you are not an activist, but you somehow feel you can give tactical advice to peeps that are. It's exactly like me, a fool who knows nothing about playing soccer, second guessing a professional soccer coach.

Second, even if you had reason to believe the above, you are still hurting the "team" by being divisive and sowing disunity. Your actions, of whining basically, casts the entire "team", and it's goals themselves, into illegitimacy. So even if your thinking is factually correct (which, again, you have absolutely no reason to believe it is)... you are still hurting the "team" by acting the way you do.

I mostly accept McAuliffe's statement that the police were seriously outgunned, given the pictures I saw of militiamen with body armor and assault rifles. I'd rather they retreat than start breaking skulls like in Ferguson anyway. This means there needs to be serious adjustments in preparation for next time, though.

Most countries similar to the USA have some sort of laws against hate speech. The first amendment absolutism arguments are pretty similar to what we've seen in the healthcare threads. Even though other countries have successfully done something one way for decades, it's a gigantic slippery slope that ends in moral destruction if the USA were to change their system. The system is broken, but if we fix it to a known solution...uhhh...Hillarys emails!

Wow boy what is it that keeps giving away the game here, wolf? ****ing baffling how easily we all saw through your bull****.

Yeah whaddabout that one Starbucks window? Huh? Howbowdat?