That is as bad. But what the Romans could or could not invade still matters. And for England: remember the king who broke up with the pope just for wanting to remarry (don't use the word **** here, out of respect for this thread), letting your culture take a different turn? Just one example. The fact influencing you the most is your island status and a type of isolation, interesting type though. It helped 'you' spread out. But it was back then.

Yes. I like British people overall. Only meet them here in Portugal and know some online when poker was legal.
But living in UK as a emigrant ( doing a random job)...maybe has hard.
i have some friends that i know in uk, london... it´s a heavy environment now...they say, some kind of discrimination , but one is very open and have some british friends.. others are more close and don´t have any... maybe it´s their fault idk.
Maybe will change.

Think harder than this. You are better than this. You certainly know problems as complex as this need more than one thing to be fixed.

Restricting immigration will certainly help its own low/midde/ working class by forcing corps to raise wages instead of exploiting illegal labor. Aka sweatshops and getting a slap on the wrist for it

What is good about "interesting politics"?

What are you looking to achieve in your yearning to rip apart every political institution you've ever heard of? I'm genuinely curious because I think you're representative of a great many who voted leave (I assume you did).

I had previously considered this line of thinking to be a mere irritation but now it seems there are enough people like it that it has become genuinely destructive. We're on the verge of leaving the EU because of a groundswell of (IMO misdirected) anger. How can that be a good thing?

Hitler was very interesting.

J/k

Assumption correct - will address this later but my phone battery is basically dead

I mean that supports my point. Integrate, assimilate, or collapse.

Blocking immigration is the last dial I'd turn. A lot of people have more reasons than just finding a job to leave some place, we can set and enforce labor standards here and immigrants make contributions offsetting the depressing effect on wages.

As far as Central America and parts of Mexico are concerned a lot of it is just about a failed state and I'm not for telling people to wait a generation or two until there's no reason to leave. Same goes for Syria and Iraq. I don't know much about the circumstances of the Polish/Eastern European immigration into the UK.

But, in general, I like open borders up to the point.

It's not even started yet.

You just made Rupert Murdoch cry.

Will a leave supporter ever say anything even remotely correct. The media especially the print media was massively predominated towards Leave.

You could not make this **** up, this reads like something off of Brass Eye.

18-24 year olds get most of their opinion from the internet, which is harder to control from a narrative stand point.

Olds get it from the Daily Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph, which were all Leave.

It's mostly economic with the added benefit of learning English as a marketable skill back home and a bit of adventure - I criticised London earlier in the thread but I lived there for 15 months which I would say is better than never having lived there at all, even if I also think its better than living there a long time. For certain people it's also cultural - it's better to be gay in London than in a conservative Polish village for example.

I know a Slovak guy with a masters degree in quantitative financial analysis who worked in the UK as a gamekeeper. Not really brain drain, just brain waste. A lot of those types of people are back now though.

Generally agree but maybe a bit of interest once in a while is good because it gets people involved in caring about politics who previously weren't.

Also - the joy of not having to see each other anymore:

Oh please, your doublespeak is ridiculous. Theres far far more papers and tv for leave than stay

also have you been in public schools in the past 10 years?

Neo for PM?

Keanu Reeves joins the shadow cabinet? Confusion as actor pays UK parliament surprise visit

Yeah we do.

Its ****ing terrible. The high court has already said the gov needs to relax its rules significantly but it has no power to compel them to do so.

It is harming British people to limit a couple thousand migrants to bring down migration overall and offset economic migrants and students, effectively.

I am being affected by this directly as my fiance is non-European. We should make it through the process next year fingers crossed but many others don't have the same opportunities available to them.

Nice.

The RT headline is silly, it's hardly "confusion" though as there are always all kinds of randoms invited to parliament by current and former MPs on any given day.

I've been there myself for example and can confirm that the HoC dining room really does have HP sauce.

The Leave narrative was based on hate, confusion and flat out lies. There seems to be a trend in especially anglophone countries (minus Canada), where pure political obfuscation wins elections. Tony Abbott regime in AUS, the Brexit vote in UK, and the Con-Man Candidate in US. The whipping up of fear and bigotry in order to dupe would-be rubes all over the English speaking world certainly seems to be a program. Xenophobia is an exploit among old white people that someone is using to their own benefit.

Arguing there are more papers for Leave is just simple idiocy.

Its not hard to prove how absurd you are being.

Mail
Express
Times
Telegraph
Sun.

If you add up the readership of those papers and compare it to Remain papers such as Independent and Guardian its not even a contest, no one reads the Independent.

So naive micro.

I say when a countries own legal citizens in the low/ middle/ working class are having major issues moving in the forward/ upward direction, it's not exactly the best time to be oh so concerned with giving/ allowing illegal immigration. Lol "historically" whenever there's a big pushback / conflict with the oh so common masses, the top has to budge. In this case corps have found a backdoor so to speak to keep the money printing machine running

Lol this has almost everything to do with big business, big corporations, and keeping prices low and margins high. Whether that means buying politicians or straight up breaking the law by hiring illegal immigrants and exploiting the **** out of them

Watched Farage clips I am not normally his biggest fan despite agreeing on the major issue of Europe. However after seeing his performance in Europe today I was flabbergasted. Brilliant does not even begin to describe it. I doubt many could have said it better it was a spectacular performance. I was delighted and impressed with how he stuck it to Europe he was right on the ball.

Simply magnificent performance from Farage today.

I think both sides lied a lot.

The lies of the official Leave campaign are well documented but there were plenty on the Remain side too. For example the scenario where the EU would seek punish us in terms of any deal pour encourager les autres isn't going to happen. It's also clear now there is no way the chaos scenario where all the EU citizens currently in the UK have to leave their jobs and 1.2 million Brits currently in Europe would be forced to return from Europe is happening - all the proposed deals include grandfathering in people already abroad.

What's it with right-wing christians and the "force it down our throat" metaphor?

First I have heard of it.

What proposed deals do you speak of?