The right to put gravy on fries isn't worth fighting for.

I assume that when people talk about preserving British culture, they are talking about values? AFAIK you can still go Morris dancing if you want.

Two British cultural values that immediately come to mind are geared towards fairness/equality of opportunity and tolerance. Tight controls on immigration seems like perversion rather than preservation of these Great British values.

Is betfair doing odds on the libdem party tripling in ranks in the next few months?

Lol I'd rather have Boris.

'Youre not going to keep bad people out so why bother'. Is what youre saying, so lets not have police either because there will be crimes anyway. I havent heard any immigration ideas from you either, just get rid of borders all together?

Using my age against me is moronic as most young people tend to be more socialist/liberal, partially due to indoctrination (the vast majority of teachers are socialists, hollywood is also very liberal). My political views are extremely unpopular in my age group, so using my age as an argument is ridiculous.

Again, anyone with good financial situation should be allowed to come in, as should anyone with a job/study opportunity (still do background checks ofcourse). In order to stay they should have to adapt (learn language/culture).

I have yet to hear a solid (non moral, we don't owe them anything) argument of why this is a bad idea or why we should let people in who will live off of government money.

Mi$terMJ,

Do you speak Thai?

Yes they are.

I expect more than just cherry picking from you micro. Lol it should be pretty ****ing obvious to someone with a critical bone in their body to realize very little of the states wealth has to do with immigrants/ minorities/ diverse cultures / lol mom and pop shops making pizza or pho... and much much more to do with Wall Street, major corporations and banks that set up hq there.

Come on micro

The entire underlying issue I see here is people think corporate globalism is such a great thing-- says the people who haven't seen its nasty underbelly/workings. I mean have they actually been or read about the 2/3 world countries that carry the blunt of the pain/ exploitation of this? Have they seen or read about the poor/working class in their own ****ing countries who are essentially in a viscous cycle due to this?

No and no. They have good jobs, and products are cheap. **** everyone else. Damn ethics and human compassion.

Just to say...
If that what is happening in your country that´s kinda a problem of your countrie. Most countries don´t do that anymore.
I don´t really know what´s happening there, but still, there always a solution.
I find really strange the way you address "poor". Don´t know if you born rich or are a self-made man, but still - all people have the right to live and work.
A good way is to have programs and put people working and don´t let them become parasites. Not just let them starve - discriminate or something like that.
Who don´t wants to work\learn the language it´s easy - just send them back.
It that your idea?. I become kinda meh they way you adressed "poors" in other posts... kinda meh, but still, respect your opinion.
Ofc rich people don´t need to study and work.... so why a rich person would emigrate?!?

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There is a thing thought that i might share your opinion. People here where happy to receive refuges and we had some houses for them ( good ones ) but, still they reject us , because we are a poor country, that´s kinda of meh of them.
The fact that they all want to go to Germany and UK it´s kinda meh. They could be here just okeyish... if they are runiing from a war.
That fact kinda disturbed me a litle... but the topic here it´s just normal EU emigration, not this.

For the same reason we have kept some pre-euro Slovak money to show the kids. Because things like passports, currency, flags etc. are symbols of nationhood which means a shared sense of belonging with other people. Don't you have any physical objects that you keep or want for that purpose - maybe the shirt of your local football team or something?

Until the next terrorist attack.

I don't equate belonging with location. I've never felt less like I belonged in the UK than I did on Friday.

This is historically inaccurate. Every great empires in history, the UK one included, thrived on immigrant labor and incorporation of immigrants and their cultures. Indeed, every empire's capital, even today, was known to have cuisines from all over the world (even the parts they don't control.) Rome, China, Japan, UK, France, Greece, Ottoman Empire, Mongolian Empire, and every other empire (I am sure, it's a matter of numbers) had to rely on immigrant labor.

Xenophobia marked the end of many of those empires. Historically, great empires fall when they turn inward and stop learning from outsiders. Rome, China, and Japan are all examples of this. Rome got ****ed when it stopped assimilating border tribes. China got ****ed when it shut itself off and Europeans showed up with guns and cannons. Japan got ****ed the same way China did.

Terrorists choose to attack places like Paris and London precisely because of how successful they are.

And Kenya because ...

Yes, and slaves mostly.
But now it´s a bad idea lol.
Kinda they are slaves nowadays, people just dont realize what is to be a emigrant... the work of slaves they do and the sh it they take every day in discrimination... ( thats the worse part).

To clarify, I in no way meant to say that poor people are bad people. Im trying to say that poor people are way more likely to commit crimes, for obvious reasons.

We should encourage poor people to work and do well, it should be way harder to be a parasite (they should stop the pro-socialism propaganda, seriously, its evil).

As for my country (netherlands, most of western europe for that matter) for example, any immigrant legal or not gets free healtcare & once you live here you can simply get benefits.

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Proximity

Okey.
That stuff of crimes... you should provide some kinda of reliable study. It can be partial true, it´s one of many causes, but not the only i guarantee you.
So... all go there just to live on benefits, it´s that so?
Who is the fault?
Your goverment, ofc, that don´t stimulate education and work and make rules...
We here had that, now there are many many rules... don´t fall from the sky.
If a govermnt is dumb enought to let all emigrants get money for free 4ever without promoting education and work... how can that be the fault of emigrants?!?!

California leads the country in agriculture which would be absolutely impossible without heavy immigration.

Also, entertainment industry in socal was created by immigrants.

Also, commercial real estate is largely being driven by immigrants now.

Most construction, including solar, is heavily reliant on immigration and not just labor, but for most of equipment and material distribution.

Restaurants employ 1.5M people and have about $60B in sales a year in California, so I wouldn't be so dismissive of pizza and pho.

Without a lot of immigration there's no way California is anywhere near as successful.

feels like it should be said that there are in fact restrictions in place so you are not just free to move somewhere for the welfare benefits. that's part of the reason why eu immigrants have higher employment rates than the native born.

maybe "welfare tourism" still happens occasionally, but it's more than made up for by everyone else.

Not all go on benefits, but plenty ofcourse do because they need to eat and have a roof over their head.

As for the crime, its a. Common sense and b. Theres been plenty of studies.
People with money dont go rob stores etc
Why do you think theres more crimes in ghettos than in rich neighborhoods? One reason: poverty.

Oh I'm all about learning/ globalism on that level. Frankly all I see is exploiting the **** out of cheap immigrant labor/ services to keep the consumerism machine running while throwing its own low/ middle/ working class under the bus.

And again, love how you point historical facts instead of the current times. The state is rich simply due to huge corporate and special interest groups setting up shop.

"Preserving culture" becomes more and more the killer argument in these discussions like "Hitler".

People seem to forget the Christianity went through a dark age too. Probably most of the people who are cheering for AFD in Germany have never been to a church nor are they attending services every Sunday. Religion should have no bearing in politics at all imo. We guarantee everyone the right to have their religion as long as they dont harm others.

But what do you define as the pillars of British culture? Why do you think your culture will disappear when you are living together with members of other cultures. If people say that these people of the Middle east have different culture and we have to defend ours agains theirs doesnt that also imply that they will defend theirs against ours? Shouldnt we live by example and show them that there might be something better than discriminating women. If there is a culture(society, nation) which lives in peace with everyone shouldnt we trying to adapt that one rather then trying to defend a culture of hate against the unknown?

I didnt say anywhere that these problems are the 'fault of the immigrants'. The government is the institute responsible for letting them in, theyre to blame for the negative consequences it might have.

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