Guys Chamberlain was a very intelligent successful politician. And a man with ideas and the convictions to carry them out. His ideas on Nazi germany were generally correct, but to late and didn't take into account Hitlers imperialist zeal. Lumping him in with Obama is a huge insult.

If OBAMA deserves a nobel prize, how come F'n RONALD REAGAN doesnt?!?!? REAGAN defeated a F'n evil empire and ended many decades of COLD WAR, without firing a shot!!

Such hypocrisy... they vote on people who TALK of peace without achieving, and fail to give the prize to people who ACHIEVE it without talking.

I wasn't lumping Obama with Chamberlain in the sense of his policies or anything else. I was showing that idea of basing a NPP on "future" peace instead of what a candidate has achieved is ludicrous because whatever peace they have planned in the future might not happen.

So you think to include an unknown quantity like Obama in the same category as Chamberlain the successful politician is a huge insult.

I can see your point.

It's kind of silly to say one is setting a great example if in fact one is lagging way behind the curve. There was segregation in the US in the 1960s FFS. Many nations are far more advanced when it comes to racism than the US and in fact the southern US was one of the most racist places I've ever been to.

I'm starting to think the envelopes got mixed up and Obama was actually meant to win the IG-Nobel Prize
List of IG-Nobel wiiners peace price excerpt:

1991: Peace - Edward Teller, father of the hydrogen bomb and first champion of the Star Wars weapons system, for his lifelong efforts to change the meaning of peace as we know it.
1992: Peace - Daryl Gates, former police chief of the City of Los Angeles, for his uniquely compelling methods of bringing people together.
1993: Peace - The Pepsi-Cola Company of the Philippines, for sponsoring a contest to create a millionaire, and then announcing the wrong winning number, thereby inciting and uniting 800,000 riotously expectant winners, and bringing many warring factions together for the first time in their nation's history.
1994: Peace - Presented to John Hagelin of Maharishi University and The Institute of Science, Technology and Public Policy, for his experimental conclusion that 4,000 trained meditators caused an 18 percent decrease in violent crime in Washington, D.C.
1995: Peace - Presented to the Taiwan National Parliament, for demonstrating that politicians gain more by punching, kicking and gouging each other than by waging war against other nations.
1996: Peace - Presented to Jacques Chirac, President of France, for commemorating the fiftieth anniversary of Hiroshima with atomic bomb tests in the Pacific.
1997: Peace - Presented to Harold Hillman of the University of Surrey, England, for his report "The Possible Pain Experienced During Execution by Different Methods."
1998: Peace - Presented to Prime Minister of India, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Prime Minister of Pakistan, Nawaz Sharif, for their aggressively peaceful detonations of atomic bombs.
1999: Peace - Presented to Charl Fourie and Michelle Wong of Johannesburg, South Africa, for inventing the Blaster, a foot-pedal activated flamethrower that motorists can use against carjackers
2000: Peace - Presented to The Royal Navy, for ordering its sailors to stop using live cannon shells, and to instead just shout "Bang!"
2001: Peace - Presented to Viliumas Malinauskas of Grutas, Lithuania, for creating the amusement park known as "Stalin World".
2002: Peace - Presented to Keita Sato, President of Takara Co., Dr. Matsumi Suzuki, President of Japan Acoustic Lab, and Dr. Norio Kogure, Executive Director, Kogure Veterinary Hospital, for promoting peace and harmony between the species by inventing Bow-Lingual, a computer-based automatic dog-to-human language translation device.
2003: Peace - Presented to Lal Bihari, of Uttar Pradesh, India, for a triple accomplishment: First, for leading an active life even though he has been declared legally dead; second, for waging a lively posthumous campaign against bureaucratic inertia and greedy relatives; and third, for creating the Association of Dead People. Lal Bihari overcame the handicap of being dead, and managed to obtain a passport from the Indian government so that he could travel to Harvard to accept his Prize. However, the U.S. government refused to allow him into the country. His friend Madhu Kapoor therefore came to the Ig Nobel Ceremony and accepted the Prize on behalf of Lal Bihari. Several weeks later, the Prize was presented to Lal Bihari himself in a special ceremony in India.
2004: Peace - Presented to Daisuke Inoue of Hyōgo Prefecture, Japan, for inventing karaoke, thereby providing an entirely new way for people to learn to tolerate each other.
2005: Peace - Presented jointly to Claire Rind and Peter Simmons of University of Newcastle, in the UK, for electrically monitoring the activity of a brain cell in a locust while that locust was watching selected highlights from the movie Star Wars.
2006: Peace: Howard Stapleton of Merthyr Tydfil, Wales, for inventing an electromechanical teenager repellant -- a device that makes annoying high-pitched noise designed to be audible to teenagers but not to adults; and for later using that same technology to make telephone ringtones that are audible to teenagers but probably not to their teachers.
2007: Peace: The United States Air Force Wright Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio, for suggesting the research and development of a "gay bomb," which would cause enemy troops to become sexually attracted to each other.
2008: Peace: The Swiss Federal Ethics Committee on Non-Human Biotechnology and the citizens of Switzerland, for adopting the legal principle that plants have dignity.
2009: Stephan Bolliger, Steffen Ross, Lars Oesterhelweg, Michael Thali and Beat Kneubuehl of the University of Bern, Switzerland, for determining whether it is better to be smashed over the head with a full bottle of beer or with an empty bottle.*

* Should be the actual peace nobel due to Obama mixup

Now it seems that unless someone ends all wars and strife in the world within two days of taking office he didn't do enough to get the Nobel Peace Prize. For some reason the bar is suddenly raised real high. I wonder why?

Name some. It has been my experience that foreign nations are not very culturally sensitive probably due to the lack of cultural diversity they have.

MarketWatch - Obama fails to win Nobel prize in economics

Oh well. Maybe next year.

Actually I love them both ... and the sandwich has done orders of magnitude more for world peace than Obomba.

That sandwich has lead revolutions and caused the ruin of scores of countries.

Which is why I yelled longly and loudly when it won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1962.

The Earl of Sandwich was a blood-thirsty foe as well as an excellent cook, following in the footsteps of General Tsao.

was a poker player so he gets a pass IMO

supreme commander of the allied blowjob corps, so he gets a pass also.

Reagan didn't kill the Soviets; they committed suicide. It never ceases to amaze me that some folks give Reagan credit for that.

Of the ones I have lived in for >1 year. France, Germany. And I'd say both have plenty of cultural diversity. Just look at their football teams

Yeah he has united great peacemaking and economics. He made sure to only appoint people sensible to both areas would be appointed, too.

Who wrote of the "impeccable economic logic" of dumping the west's "health impairing" toxic waste in "under polluted" Africa, because the resultant cancers wouldn't have time to develop in a population with such a low life expectancy ?
Lawrence Summers, as Chief Econonomist for the World Bank, in a leaked memo, December 12,1991. Brazil's Environment Minister, Jose Lutzenburger, wrote to Summers that his proposal was "perfectly logical but totally insane". Lutzenburger was fired for writing the letter. Summers went on to greater things, initially as Treasury Secretary in the final 18 months of the Clinton administration, and now as Barak Obama's Chair of the National Economic Council.

Ya, the Germans do great with the turks. Germans did not have segregation in the 60s because all the minorities had mysteriously disappeared. I hear Iceland also does real well with minorities so they can be held up as a model to emulate. If not them, maybe the Japanese.

What surprises me is the statements like "Ya, Obama has huge ego and constantly lies." There are legitimate ways to criticize Obama, most are not particularly well thought out, but they are still playing the game of rational discourse. Half the statements on the forum, however, are just nuts. I don't know whether the writers are ill informed, unintelligent, or just insane. Really, I'm puzzled by the psychology of people who make claims like Obama is an egomanic and congenital liar. I think Bush may have been the worst president in history but it doesn't give me carte blance to make up absurd ideas into which I can channel my vitriol.

Perhaps urban Meyer can help you out.

I can even understand the occasional vitriolic comment; but what I don't get is why people feel the need to keep piling on, with the same observation. After it's already been said a dozen times, declaring that Obama is an egomaniac isn't particularly interesting. I'm more bothered by the monotony than the vitriol, personally.

Yes, I think we do overall and all of my Turkish friends would agree.
Mysteriously many people streamed back into Germany after WW2. There were many immigrants from Italy, Turkey, Poland, Russia etc. and instead of the wise political guidance from the US that you seem to advocate (i.e. segregation) Germans learned from their past rather quickly and embraced the immigrants.
I'm also not surprised that you ignore France which I put first for a reason.

And I'm not even arguing that other countries are shining beacons of racial integration. I'm just saying that the US certainly isn't. And I'm pretty sure most Americans would agree with that statement, especially if they happen to be black or even worse "Arab". I have friends in Alabama who get constantly hated on for being "filthy terrorists", who get special treatment from airport security, stopped and herassed by cops etc.

I'll just say that almost no country in the world has had near the racial challenges that the US has had in terms of a diverse population with a large historically aggrieved minority population. In fact, many countries have committed some form of genocide or forced exclusion against such populations. At best they have been relegated to second class citizens, likes Turks in Germany, or Arabs in France, or Gypsies in Italy.

It's pretty hard to say the US should emulate European nations when they face a fraction of the challenge that the US has faced and have often failed in dealing with their "small" problems. Really, hearing about race relations from Germany or France, which have ghettoized and stifled minorities and impeded their progress, is not serious. The US has a difficult past with racial issues, and a difficult present, but it has been openly dealing with its issues and making progress for a long time. (And by the way, the South is not America.)

Finally, an explanation of how the winning of this prize was truly and deservedly earned:

That probably has a lot to do with Alabama being a ****hole.

Limbaugh said it, Coulter said it, Beck said it... it's the right wing talking point. Of course these people are going to pile on. Do you read any forums besides 2+2? There's always a chorus of people singing the latest right wing talking point tune.....

The problem is the arrogance in the face of epic failure.