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12-10-2008 , 07:36 PM

#301

KurtSF

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Originally Posted by prohornblower

All rules should go out the window with texting. She definitely should have gotten "to" correct though, as it's less work, but trying to text "you're" is silly and "your" should suffice. Or just type out "you are".

Bah, f*** it, dump her anyway.

I on purpose use "your" for both "your" and "you're" when texting. This is because, in its infinite electronic wisdom, my phone auto-corrects the first letter after punctuation to a capitol letter. Not just a period, ANY punctuation. I prefer a misplaced "your" to the abomination "you'Re".

Also, the corner store on my block: the sign out front reads:

Four Star Market
and below:
Joy and Pepsi

The sign inside reads:

Welcome to For Star Market

Weeeeeeeeeee!

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12-10-2008 , 07:46 PM

#302

SurferEd

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 373

How about some sort of rating system with scores to the first decimal with the following categories:

Degree of Difficulty
Execution/Technical Score
Artistic Score

Last edited by SurferEd; 12-10-2008 at 07:48 PM. Reason: nitty about proper capitalization

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12-10-2008 , 07:53 PM

#303

MrEleganza

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

Plus...don't even get me started about when sports teams finally begin to gel. It's 'jell'.

That reminds me of another word people get wrong that we haven't covered yet: "He hoped his double barrel bluff would get me out of the hand, but it didn't phase me."

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Originally Posted by JaredL

This begs the question (!), when is it ok to make verbs out of nouns?*

Scott Adams (IIRC) had a great quote on this: "Verbing weirds language."

Anyone else like me who works in a corporate environment, found the corporate-speak appalling, and then eventually got seduced by it? I came over to the dark side awhile ago, especially with sentences like, "Securites Group, I believe the below email was meant for you. Please action."

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12-10-2008 , 07:53 PM

#304

SurferEd

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

On the sports front, the one that gets me regards "fair catch." "Number 85 calls for a fair catch on the 40 yard line." Fine. "Number 85 fair caught the ball on the 40 yard line." Sonnuvagoddambitchahachchchchchchchchdch!

This reminds me of the classic "His project was greenlit" versus "His project was greenlighted". I do believe both may be correct because both fair catch and green light are technical terms.

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12-10-2008 , 08:12 PM

#305

private joker

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Originally Posted by WWJfergusonD

Haven't heard this word in probably 15 years. Bless you private joker.

I had never heard of it until a few months ago, when I saw the best film of 2008.

It's a brilliant title because not only does it introduce an interesting word for an interesting facet of the English language, and apply it directly to the plot, but it's obviously a cute twist on the town of Schenectady, NY.

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12-10-2008 , 08:18 PM

#306

bryan4967

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Whom? wha..who...whom?

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12-10-2008 , 08:24 PM

#307

pongo

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I really love when people try to sound educated by using "whom" inappropriately, e.g.

"Whom are you?"

That's even worse than using "who" when it should be "whom".

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12-10-2008 , 08:49 PM

#308

private joker

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Originally Posted by pongo

I really love when people try to sound educated by using "whom" inappropriately, e.g.

"Whom are you?"

That's even worse than using "who" when it should be "whom".

I heard a sportscaster on ESPN radio talking about the Sabathia-Yankees deal, and he did something like that. It was so ******ed.

He goes, "The Yankees talked to CC and they really tried to convince him... er, convince he... and his wife... to move to New York."

Ugh shut up, sometimes HIM is right!

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12-10-2008 , 09:02 PM

#309

Lou Bega

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Originally Posted by anklebreaker

One set of quotes is right and one is wrong, DUCY?

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12-10-2008 , 09:30 PM

#310

AntOWNius

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Growing up I would always hear the phrase "the data shows that..." I even saw it in our elementary school science books or would hear it on the news. Now, a couple decades later, I almost always hear or read "the data show that..." (no 's').

Also, in early episodes of PAD, Ali would say that the players were "heads up" and a season later on one show he used "head up".

Anyone care to explain?

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12-10-2008 , 09:36 PM

#311

pongo

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Originally Posted by AntOWNius

Data is the plural of datum, a piece of information. So using the plural verb (no s) is correct. If you've never heard the word datum, though, it might seem that data was singular, so you would mistakenly use the singular verb (with an s). Apparently in the last ten years our science books and newscasters have gotten smarter? Could have fooled me.

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12-10-2008 , 10:24 PM

#312

nsdjoe

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

"fairly caught the ball."

Definitely not allowed. On a similar note, it should be "To go boldly where no man has gone before," not "To boldly go...."

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12-10-2008 , 10:25 PM

#313

daryn

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i believe "verbing weirds language" is from calvin and hobbes. either that or the strip got it from that guy you mentioned.

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12-10-2008 , 10:26 PM

#314

daryn

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when i was in college professors in the lab would always (correctly) say "these data show... "

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12-10-2008 , 10:27 PM

#315

MrEleganza

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Originally Posted by daryn

i believe "verbing weirds language" is from calvin and hobbes. either that or the strip got it from that guy you mentioned.

No, you're right, now that you mention it.

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12-10-2008 , 10:29 PM

#316

nsdjoe

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Originally Posted by private joker

I think it's funny when people erroneously correct grammar. For instance, if the tv says "Bring the sandwiches for Kelly and me," and someone announces smugly, "Aha! Kelly and I!"

Ugh.

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12-10-2008 , 10:40 PM

#317

prohornblower

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Originally Posted by nsdjoe

I think it's funny when people erroneously correct grammar. For instance, if the tv says "Bring the sandwiches for Kelly and me," and someone announces smugly, "Aha! Kelly and I!"

Ugh.

Yeah isn't the rule to take out the other person and see if the sentence makes sense? "Bring in the sandwiches for I." doesn't make sense and "Bring in the sandwiches for me." does.

EDIT: Of course, in their defense, they probably think it's funny that we're posting about this sh*t in an internet thread instead of <insert any other activity>.

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12-10-2008 , 10:42 PM

#318

nsdjoe

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Yes

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12-10-2008 , 10:47 PM

#319

Lou Bega

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Originally Posted by KurtSF

At a Phillips gas station on the other end of town, there's a sign above the door that says, I **** you not, SURVEILLANCAE CAMERAS.

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12-11-2008 , 01:18 AM

#320

CORed

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Originally Posted by TheNiggler

Bitwise OR.

Or a pipe. In a UNIX/Linux shell, or the Windows command prompt, a '|' between two commands causes the standard output of the first command to be redirected to the standard input of the second. I know, I've lapsed into geek-speak, and those to whom this makes sense probably already know this.

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12-11-2008 , 01:23 AM

#321

dethgrind

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Originally Posted by private joker

Yeah me too. That's why I followed up with the rock band example. I think it sounds better when the verb agrees with whether the band (or team or whatever) is a singular or plural name. Like, "The Miami Heat is 10-9 this season" vs. "The Los Angeles Lakers are 16-3 this season." In both cases it's the team name, but the verb is different.

I'm just saying it uses a different logic than the poster was saying -- his argument was that it should be singular because you're talking about a team, not a group of individuals. That has nothing to do with it imo.

This is all very confusing to me, and apparently the rules are different for American and British English:

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BrE: The Clash are a well-known band; AmE: The Clash is a well-known band.
BrE: New York are the champions; AmE: New York is the champion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...onal_agreement

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12-11-2008 , 01:23 AM

#322

CORed

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Originally Posted by TAG-NIT

Is all this and more the reason why people write with acronyms when posting?
I can understand shorthand when texting, but why here?
Fwiw I think it's lazy imo.
My favorite is "meh" - an actual word for a shoulder shrug.
The silliest is "*****". Or maybe it is "pwned". The one word everyone spells out but likes to do it the chiche wrong way.

I once responded to someone on Yahoo Answers who repeatedly used "ne" for "any" with this:

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ne: Two keystrokes. any: Three keystrokes. Not looking like a moron: Priceless.

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12-11-2008 , 01:59 AM

#323

BeaucoupFish

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,575

Having lived in the US for > 10 yrs I have picked up some bad habits (no offense...!). Oh look, there's one. For some reason, I over-use ellipses. Why? No idea...

I also say "I guess" a lot, which is a totally American way of talking. So is saying "totally". I don't think they'll allow me back in the UK.

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Originally Posted by gumpzilla

Times-out just sounds gross. I think timeout is a single word, anyway, and likely a neologism invented for sports, so I vote timeouts all the way.

"Hey Jean-Robert, throw me the ball"

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12-11-2008 , 02:24 AM

#324

Hobbs.

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Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 5,594

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Originally Posted by Aloysius

Corporate-Business Types -- have you noticed the further up the chain you get, in general, the more informal / horrible the punctuation and grammar is on e-mails? I find it amusing.

SFer once mentioned that one reason for him was that he was forced at work to use IE, which doesn't have a built in spell checker.

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12-11-2008 , 04:44 AM

#325

WWJfergusonD

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,803

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Originally Posted by dethgrind

This is all very confusing to me, and apparently the rules are different for American and British English:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...onal_agreement

Sweet link. I deal with a lot of British news shows...this makes me understand their weird-speak a little better. Of course, being Canadian places me somewhere in the middle of the two.

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