My 6 year old went back to in person school today, so I'll probably have a COVID trip report by the end of Nov.

I do electrostatic disinfection for a company that had a room with over 1k portable covid test kits that give you positive results within 7 minutes and negative results with 24 minutes. It is also 99% accurate.

They will be relatively affordable and require no physical paperwork. Just scan your drivers license.

I believe the state of Florida has ordered a couple hundred and there are about a dozen or so in use in Delaware.

Looks like I was mostly right.

https://delawarebusinesstimes.com/ne...d-19-test-kit/

South Korea and USA-hole both hit at the same time. ~326M vs. ~56M populations.

SK has 26,000 total cases, 460 deaths and covid almost completely under control.

We have 8,780,000 cases, 226,000 deaths and no visible end in sight.

SK had 88 cases today. USA had 60,000. That is a ****ing joke.


This country is busted so bad right now.

Not only can you likely attribute every excess death to COVID, there's an argument that you might be able to attribute even more than the excess death number to COVID.

Because of COVID, deaths from things like auto-accidents, shootings, etc. all went down from what they would have been in a typical year, which means it would take some COVID deaths to balance out those deaths to get to baseline and then even more COVID deaths to get to our excess deaths number.

There are of course some factors that swing the other way, so this argument isn't quite that straightforward, but using excess deaths as a surrogate for COVID deaths is not really that much of a stretch.

Social disorder is about to happen anyway, might as well kill 2 birds with one stone.

Plodding along is literally our only option.

yeah but how many South Koreans are willing to protect their freedoms from mask mandates and bar shutdowns by storming government buildings with semiautomatic weapons?

checkmate snowflake

Lol I needed that levity, thanks.

I can't believe you left out hyperinflation. I think your predictions are a bit melodramatic. My point was that the ride has begun and there's no getting off,or changing course, now.


A good thinning of the herd is probably what the planet and human race need.

I'm not sure we should be pinning our hopes on a herd immunity strategy when we have no idea how long that immunity lasts.

Edit: unless by vaccination methods of course, but i don't think that's what's being discussed here.

An effective vaccine is our only hope. Herd immunity, or a completely new way of life, coupled with a large thinning of the herd, is the only other reality.

Mitigation is no longer on the table.

Agreed. It's just so disheartening that people aren't willing to make trivial, basic sacrifices in the meantime compared to large swathes in healthcare and ancillary fields who are being expected to sacrifice so much.

Violent protests in italy amid renewed lockdown measures/restrictions

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54701042

So herd immunity may not be possible because we can't hold immunity but a vaccine can work?
Sounds sketchy.

DeCaptain has it right. There are too many freedumb lovers, mitigation is not an option. Just gotta hold on tight and lock our parents/grandparents up until further notice.

No country can let its health care system run over capacity for an extended period of time.

Mitigations are 100% inevitable.

What exactly am I supposed to be agreeing with? Pretty sure I'm not personally comfortable with whatever you want me to agree with!

Isn't people not getting access to healthcare - e.g. cancer screenings a pretty big factor though? Also ballooning childhood obesity is storing up problems for the future. At least here in Europe car accidents kill something like 0.02% of the population every year depending on the country whereas the big 4 killers (heart disease, dementia, cancer and stroke) are responsible for most of the 1% of the population that dies each year. Anything that interferes with the survival rate from those ought to have a far greater effect than anything else related to car crashes and so on.

Right. Basically Slovakia is currently in it's first wave; it never really got going in the Spring so the actual first wave is now. Even so, if that many people are testing positive that were being missed before then it would suggest a total number of cases of something of the order of 5 times the official PCR-based count (i.e. if you add in people who were negative in this test but would have been positive on the previous few weekends).

In that case it really changes the ratio between infections and deaths/long covid so you would have to reassess how serious the infection is.

IMHO what is more likely is that this test has a significant false positive rate of maybe a couple of a percent, the actual positives and false positives are roughly equal at 2% each and so a load of people and their families are going to get quarantined unfairly.

That said, the whole population is "unfairly" in lock-down for this week anyway (in the Euro-sense where you can still go to work and still walk your dog) so having maybe 5% of the population "unfairly" in quarantine is a reasonable price to pay if an additional 5% who should be "fairly" in quarantine are actually in it and there are fewer restrictions on the other 90%.

(I get to the 5% numbers from the 2% from false positives plus family members - and also actual positives plus family members)

Please change your name to "Shuffle McDoomPorn"

I would really appreciate it if 27 or someone else would start posting the graph again.

https://covidtracking.com/data




https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...f-the-outbreak

What really tilts me is the drumbeat of attacks on China. Trump is always saying stuff like China "should never have allowed this plague to get out of China and go throughout the world. 188 countries. It should never have happened." For sure, China made some key mistakes and probably juked the stats. But they got a virus that no one knew existed and had to first identify that it was a novel virus, figure out how to detect, treat and manage it and had no warning whatsoever. They went from ~5k new cases per day to less than 100 new cases per day in 3 months. We had 3 months of warning, a known virus with diagnostic tests well-defined before our first case. Within a few weeks, we reached the 5k new cases per day level and never looked back. It may well be a year before we get down to less than 100 new cases per day.

Furthermore, they well and truly had a lockdown. No half-assed 33% of the population still goes to work as usual lockdown. Whose economy do you think is more affected by the virus?

I'm disappointed we haven't taken to calling covid the trump virus.

I have definitely heard this irl.

the capitalist virus

230k(and counting) american covid deaths from capitalism

This is 100% true.

You still haven’t responded when I asked you which outdoor football games were super spreader events?