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01-31-2013 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Frostyice
Dillchips you can usually go by AF from villain

If the AF is very low he'll never bet worse in that spot

If the AF is high he'll never bet worse in that spot

If the AF is on middle ground you should always call
Oh right. I should prob called the AK hand then. Thanks frosty!
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01-31-2013 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Burnss
call raise > 3b. not a clue where fold fits into that though.

probs like, call > fold > 3b
fold can't possibly be better than 3bet in this spot because if we want to fold we have the nut bluffing hand.
not sure what i do though, but I definitely think fold has to be worst.
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01-31-2013 , 06:37 AM
this is noway the "nut bluffin hand" here. What we block is not what we are trying to get him to fold because he doesn't have that in his range. How does KsQo effect T9 and AT (from what cam thinks he is folding)? The fact that we expect villain to barrel flushes like 99% suggests having the Ks is completely pointless and even so, good luck at getting a flush to fold after he checks turn.

I also highlyhighlyhighly doubt T9 and AT is 3.1x your raise anyway cause hes just leaving himself to get ****ed in the ass by doing so.

(also blocking KK/QQ is a problem, if we want to 3b bluff. and if he can't even barrel QQ ott, i doubt hes raisin KK otr )

fold is better than 3b because of ^^.

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imo ofc.

Last edited by Burnss; 01-31-2013 at 06:58 AM. Reason: in b4 i dont know villain and his raise size tendencies....Also im tired, could easily be wrong.
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01-31-2013 , 06:50 AM
I find it interesting how often Blonde turns hands with good showdown value into a bluff on the river. The AJ and KQ hands Id never think about raising but that is why you are on another level, not that im going to attempt that **** at 10/25NL.
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01-31-2013 , 07:26 AM
Get Full Tilt pairing $20 ticket. Commence Doooooom!

    Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15885281

    UTG: $10.19 (101.9 bb)
    MP: $7.85 (78.5 bb)
    CO: $7.90 (79 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $10.54 (105.4 bb)
    SB: $7.90 (79 bb)
    BB: $4.52 (45.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A
    3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB raises to $0.85, BB folds, Hero calls $0.60

    Flop: ($1.80) 7 4 7 (2 players)
    SB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

    Turn: ($5.40) 9 (2 players)
    SB bets $2.05, Hero raises to $7.89 and is all-in, SB calls $3.20 and is all-in

    River: ($15.90) K (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $15.90 pot ($1.06 rake)
    Final Board: 7 4 7 9 K
    Hero showed A A and won $0.00 (-$7.90 net)
    SB showed K K and won $14.84 ($6.94 net)



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    01-31-2013 , 07:28 AM
    Lol yeah didn't even read the hh properly just saw we 3bet top two pair on the river. Yeah as played out we don't have a very good bluffing hand I guess, think I probably just call.
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    01-31-2013 , 08:35 AM
    chad where's the 4bet?
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    01-31-2013 , 08:41 AM
    Thought it would be cool to let him stay in with his worse hands and get his money in as the pre flop aggressor on the flop and turn.
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    01-31-2013 , 08:42 AM
    ^ sounds legit
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    01-31-2013 , 08:57 AM
    I'd raise flop most of the time since I'm doing that with my Ax Kx fd often too

    it'll be hard for him to fold TT+ and there are a lot of scarecards for his range like clubs, overcards to his hand etc
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    01-31-2013 , 10:38 AM
    Has anyone tried heads up zoom yet?
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    01-31-2013 , 10:53 AM
    I'm tempted to try it. I'm planning on taking a shot at nl50 6max zoom soon. I haven't really played much HU though.

    I'd imagine button raising ATC will be extremely profitable in HU zoom. Not much traffic right now though, only 38 players. I'm sure it'll get fairly popular.
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    01-31-2013 , 11:02 AM
    lol i cant believe they actually made HU zoom

    it's just going to be a massive pre flop leveling war
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    01-31-2013 , 11:03 AM
    theres HU zoom???

    edit: seems like a terrible idea...
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    01-31-2013 , 11:22 AM
    i dont hate the idea but i dont think it will get really popular
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    01-31-2013 , 11:47 AM
    does this look ok? raiser is 17/17 only 6 hands so no reads/stats, didnt cbet bcos its mw and think i get raised a decent amount on this board, dont think i can ship turn either

    Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    BTN: $12.83
    SB: $28.86
    BB: $23.43
    UTG: $25.26
    Hero (MP): $32.62
    CO: $28.44

    Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with Q Q
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50

    Flop: ($2.35) J 9 7 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

    Turn: ($2.35) Q (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.85, CO raises to $3.75, BB calls $3.75, Hero calls $1.90

    River: ($13.60) 4 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $6.75, BB folds, Hero folds
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    01-31-2013 , 11:54 AM
    checking that flop is terrible

    rest looks fine
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    01-31-2013 , 11:57 AM
    really? i think i get raised so often in spots like that
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    01-31-2013 , 12:04 PM
    you miss out on so much value tho

    also whats the problem with getting c/r, you should know if your going to b/c or b/f vs it, also you let them draw for cheap. whats your plan vs CO, just c/c and let him own you

    again think what this does for you whole range. You just value bet sets on this flop? that leaves you so semi bluff heavy
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    01-31-2013 , 12:04 PM
    Watched z0mg play a bit of the HU zoom. Idea seems kinda cool.
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    01-31-2013 , 12:15 PM
    HU zoom is pretty cool, and avoids all the bumhunting issues.

    Not sure how popular it will be though. It would require the fish to like it, and Im not sure I see why it would be attractive for them to play zoom rather than regular HU.
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    01-31-2013 , 12:29 PM
    This doesnt make sense imo. Youve basically concluded his river raising range is a flush or air but then said having a good flush blocker combo as a bluff doesnt make sense(obviously not this combo because you think two pair is good a fair amount) I never explicity bluffed this hand because i had the Ks but blocking AsKs which i thought would be the only hand he might consider checking turn with was nice, my bluff was 100% exploitative. still i struggle with why you and g want to call, what hands do you think he bluffs with here? Seems like raising 9T/AT gets you owned applies to any river raising.range
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Burnss
    this is noway the "nut bluffin hand" here. What we block is not what we are trying to get him to fold because he doesn't have that in his range. How does KsQo effect T9 and AT (from what cam thinks he is folding)? The fact that we expect villain to barrel flushes like 99% suggests having the Ks is completely pointless and even so, good luck at getting a flush to fold after he checks turn.

    I also highlyhighlyhighly doubt T9 and AT is 3.1x your raise anyway cause hes just leaving himself to get ****ed in the ass by doing so.

    (also blocking KK/QQ is a problem, if we want to 3b bluff. and if he can't even barrel QQ ott, i doubt hes raisin KK otr )

    fold is better than 3b because of ^^.

    Spoiler:
    imo ofc.
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    01-31-2013 , 12:32 PM
    Oh and fwiw I think I agree that fold > 3b but also that call is the worst
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    01-31-2013 , 12:51 PM
    I only wanted to call as it seems pretty high value when compared to the range of hands we bet the river with.
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    01-31-2013 , 01:07 PM
    right which makes sense if you think he doesn't have a totally exploitable river raising range. you're both implying he does though
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