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01-27-2013 , 08:57 AM
Never sure of the best line in these kind of hands either.

Villain is 31/31/10AF over only 14 hands

3bet for value and with a playable hand postflop if called
Flop 2ndP so bet for value. When he just calls I discount sets and strong draws as think he's more likely to fastplay those, which leaves other draws, PPs and Qx.

So with that in mind a fire 1/2 pot ott, to get value from draws and worse PPs. Think I should just bet 2/3rds pot here again against that range? Thoughts?

River is kind of a killer as a stubborn TT just got there, as did AK and 9x and can't see him folding any Qx so ch/fold ok? Seems weak. Or should I just be bet/bet/shoving this kind of hand and runout?

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15816711

    BTN: $2.52 (50.4 bb)
    SB: $11.20 (224 bb)
    Hero (BB): $6.60 (132 bb)
    UTG: $5.45 (109 bb)
    MP: $5.85 (117 bb)
    CO: $5.35 (107 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J A
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, CO calls $0.35

    Flop: ($1.02) 4 Q J (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

    Turn: ($2.02) 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.95, CO calls $0.95

    River: ($3.92) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $3.40 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $3.92 pot ($0.16 rake)
    Final Board: 4 Q J 8 T
    Hero mucked J A and lost (-$1.95 net)
    CO mucked and won $3.76 ($1.81 net)



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    01-27-2013 , 10:49 AM
    flat pre, dont 3bet. post seems fine to me as played
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    01-27-2013 , 11:11 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by raikkonen3
    flat pre, dont 3bet. post seems fine to me as played
    isn't calling OOP a leak though
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    01-27-2013 , 12:07 PM
    Ahhhh now. In Dunna's AJ hand, definitely call pre - we are oop, but our AJ is miles head of the CO's ~35% opening range (Knew if I kept saying this Id get it in good eeventually)
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    01-27-2013 , 12:18 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 50nlRushandBeyond
    Want to make a prop bet that i had 43ss ? we can escrow and then i can email stars. I am not Q6, i dont edit my hhs
    Firstly, the hh I edited was clearly a joke but w/e.

    Basically all I see in the thread is you being a complete dick. All the hands you post are misplayed pretty much, and I think you know that, but even so the fact you are misplaying so many hands that you can post in here is bad.
    Regardless of wether you're good or bad, I think it's safe to say 0 people really want you posting in the thread so you may as well stop acting like a complete bellend or just leave completely.
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    01-27-2013 , 12:47 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
    Firstly, the hh I edited was clearly a joke but w/e.

    Basically all I see in the thread is you being a complete dick. All the hands you post are misplayed pretty much, and I think you know that, but even so the fact you are misplaying so many hands that you can post in here is bad.
    Regardless of wether you're good or bad, I think it's safe to say 0 people really want you posting in the thread so you may as well stop acting like a complete bellend or just leave completely.
    Haha the hh you edited was just a joke, just like your hero call equity was a joke as well right ? I would bet if we asked the mods on this site if they would rather have people post fake advice or no advice at all they would go with the latter. I am not obligated to post anything, i am not trolling, i am just posting hhs, which mirco players can learn from.

    Basically my post can be summed up in this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgXF0a_Yw4
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    01-27-2013 , 01:01 PM
    HU4ROLLZzzzzzzz
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    01-27-2013 , 01:05 PM
    Yeah I apologised for my hero call equity joke and you are guilty by association for not pointing out it's wrong.
    Just saying you are posting hh's on purpose to try and annoy other players, which is just really scummy. What a mod thinks is fairly irrelevant now, it's just the fact that you seem to be a lonely little man who spends all his time playing zoom poker and trying to gain some pleasure from annoying others on an internet forum. I really feel for you when you inevitably bust your roll at 500nl and can't post hh's anymore.
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    01-27-2013 , 01:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
    Yeah I apologised for my hero call equity joke and you are guilty by association for not pointing out it's wrong.
    Just saying you are posting hh's on purpose to try and annoy other players, which is just really scummy. What a mod thinks is fairly irrelevant now, it's just the fact that you seem to be a lonely little man who spends all his time playing zoom poker and trying to gain some pleasure from annoying others on an internet forum. I really feel for you when you inevitably bust your roll at 500nl and can't post hh's anymore.
    lol i have no plans on playing 500nl anytime soon so i doubt that (that take a shot when my br hits 10k was a joke). Also, i had no idea you were joking about the hero call equity thing, you trolled that well so i thought you were serious. I knew that it was wrong but why would i help someone who i played against. Yes i am a lonely man, which is why my goal is 300k vpps this year even though i already have 55k, hint hint i do not plan on playing much volume in the summer time which is when i will enjoy my time but that is neither here nor there, i believe you are just jealous of my success and wish you didnt have a mental block (withdraw 10k after downswing lol) that will stop you from moving up from 100nl. Adios.
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    01-27-2013 , 01:21 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dillchips
    isn't calling OOP a leak though
    depends on how well you can play post but against a typical co opening range then AJs is doing very well.

    also if you don't flat AJs vs a co open in bb then your flatting range is basically AQ, 22-TT I assume? not too important at nl5 but it would be very easy for co to own you
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    01-27-2013 , 01:42 PM
    50nlrushguy, Burnss posted *loads* of good advice in this thread you know? Just because he made a joke up about hero ev doesnt mean thats what he normally does in here. You though, only post bare HH's - nothing else. This isnt BBV Zoom style thread mate, give us some bang for our reading buck!
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    01-27-2013 , 01:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by raikkonen3
    depends on how well you can play post but against a typical co opening range then AJs is doing very well.

    also if you don't flat AJs vs a co open in bb then your flatting range is basically AQ, 22-TT I assume? not too important at nl5 but it would be very easy for co to own you
    something like that, but in the blinds I usually play a bit tighter, when facing a raise from someone IP my range is AQ+, TT-AA, which I will then 3bet. I feel like this is a leak though, because I never call OOP (I usually fold AT and worse, and sometimes 3b with AJ villian dependent), after reading one of WCGrider's post here on 2p2 about never calling OOP, because eventually we're just gonna c/f if we don't hit and leak our preflop calls to the raiser, although I might have translated it wrongly.

    What's an acceptable range to call from the blinds?
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    01-27-2013 , 01:58 PM
    depends on the opener for one, i won't advise flatting wider than you do though if you are going to play very simple post. concentrate on your postflop skills and then you'll be able to flat wider.

    wgcrider was probably correct but i still think that AJs is such an easy call vs co even if you are not great postflop and even more so for dunna when i'm very confident he's going to considerably better than nl5 regs
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    01-27-2013 , 02:46 PM
    Ahhh, I Raikkonen

    I no what you're saying tho Dill. Just raising oop makes the game simpler when you're still learning, and there's no harm in that. Also take into account that many villains will flat IP and then fold to a half pot cbet, so the play in general is so profitable that you don't need to always do it with just your value hands

    It is, as ever, villain dependent though
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    01-27-2013 , 03:39 PM
    This thread needs more ssnl hhs it seems, here is one to mull over

    Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2080939
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    BTN: $239.09
    SB: $401.41
    BB: $224.02
    Hero (UTG): $239.04
    MP: $200.00
    CO: $200.00

    Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with J A
    Hero raises to $5.80, 3 folds, SB calls $4.80, BB raises to $26, Hero calls $20.20, 1 fold

    Flop: ($57.80) T K 3 (2 players)
    BB bets $27, Hero calls $27

    Turn: ($111.80) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB calls $30

    River: ($171.80) Q (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $156.04 all in, BB calls $141.02 all in

    Final Pot: $453.84
    BB mucks Q K
    Hero shows J A (a straight, Ten to Ace)
    Hero wins $451.04
    (Rake: $2.80)
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    01-27-2013 , 04:34 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 50nlRushandBeyond
    I am not obligated to post anything, i am not trolling, i am just posting hhs, which mirco players can learn from.
    lol'd.
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    01-27-2013 , 04:52 PM
    I dont mind people posting them if they maybe explain wtf is going in them but I cant learn anything from them on my own.

    Be more interesting to know exactly what rivers in that hand above you would jam on?
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    01-27-2013 , 04:59 PM
    If you just think 'made a loose call, got lucky' that'll pretty much some up most of his posts

    Tbf tho, it is nice to see HHs from the perspective of a fish
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    01-27-2013 , 05:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chosen0ne
    please stop posting

    its ridiculously how many questionable things you do but how hot you run

    fsd kgk;dgdkl;kngds so tilting
    Damn i didnt realize how much people cared, i hope your day isnt ruined because of my post.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AndyM2033
    I dont mind people posting them if they maybe explain wtf is going in them but I cant learn anything from them on my own.

    Be more interesting to know exactly what rivers in that hand above you would jam on?
    Depending on how fast he calls, i would have prob jammed all spades (except the qs obv)

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dunna100
    If you just think 'made a loose call, got lucky' that'll pretty much some up most of his posts

    Tbf tho, it is nice to see HHs from the perspective of a fish
    Ugh when i guy who plays 5nl tells me i am fish, i should really rethink how i play, thanks for the advice, i will try to become better.
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    01-27-2013 , 05:40 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 50nlRushandBeyond
    This thread needs more ssnl hhs it seems, here is one to mull over
    <------------ BBV is that way
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    01-27-2013 , 06:05 PM
    he is really bad but is running hot at the moment, thats pretty much it
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    01-27-2013 , 08:02 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by 50nlRushandBeyond
    This thread needs more ssnl hhs it seems, here is one to mull over

    Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2080939
    DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

    BTN: $239.09
    SB: $401.41
    BB: $224.02
    Hero (UTG): $239.04
    MP: $200.00
    CO: $200.00

    Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with J A
    Hero raises to $5.80, 3 folds, SB calls $4.80, BB raises to $26, Hero calls $20.20, 1 fold

    Flop: ($57.80) T K 3 (2 players)
    BB bets $27, Hero calls $27

    Turn: ($111.80) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB calls $30

    River: ($171.80) Q (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $156.04 all in, BB calls $141.02 all in

    Final Pot: $453.84
    BB mucks Q K
    Hero shows J A (a straight, Ten to Ace)
    Hero wins $451.04
    (Rake: $2.80)



    OK, this is what this thread needs:

    Answering questions is OK, if you don't get out of line, but if you post another hand history in this thread before the 4th of February I'm going to ban you.
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    01-27-2013 , 09:18 PM
    Well then, you guys got want you wanted! See you guys in a week lol
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    01-27-2013 , 11:10 PM
    3rd in a £100 liveament for £1450. Go hard in the paint #shuda won
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    01-28-2013 , 02:44 AM
    you have to give us your bust hand bro
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