Purely for value. I cannot understand why you think he hits this flop hard. Please give more info. Against a fish, an Ace on the turn surely is a fist pump call (when he is so short).

So, you think better to check flop? why? If he is calling with absolutely anything, surely its +ev to cbet our whole range?

Anyway, note to self, dont play at the end of the night when you are getting tired just because you got nothing better to do while you wait for the washing machine to finish.
+5BI this morning, reg tables are lolz.

Ppl with 50+ vpip play a ton of broadway cards. That flop smashes his range.
Maybe not smash, but there are a bunch of kings queens gutters and med pocket pairs they aren't folding.

It seems to me this villian you described is a maniac.
You answer your own question when u said "he will call with everything". it's true.
These guys won't even fold a PP on this situations, neither a K,Q or a 9.
Basically they are continuing with the whole range that called pre, or the majority of it. Therefore, he won't fold nothing close to 30% u need.

So you should check and he would check as well whole PP, and you get a free card; he will probably fire if he has any K,Q or 9 as well so u should fold.

It's a call when an Ace hit I agree, but I wouldn't be surprise if we are beat there.

Don't put yourself on marginal situations particulary on micros and even worst against aggro fishes

He is short so no point on cbetting, he will call everything on turn as well.

His range preflop...



Range that calls our cbet (Axs is questionable but iv added it because he did peel)....



Board: Kd Qh 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 61.550% 59.41% 02.14% 745735 26914.50 { 22+, A6s+, K5s+, Q6s+, J7s+, T7s+, 98s, A9o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 1: 38.450% 36.31% 02.14% 455756 26914.50 { AJs }

We dont get enough folds or have the equity vs his calling range, cbet is not good idea. Do you see how little he folds on this board. We have to give up on every non A/J turn. Barreling of vs a fish is never good idea.

Our cbet is never for value. Turn A is fist pump value

simple stuff

Ok. Thats pretty clear. Thanks for your help

I didnt try to bluff though, I was betting for value. I honestly thought he had more worse hands that call than made hands that beat me. I thought villains range was sc's, suited 1 or 2 gappers, connected cards, any ace, any pair. This is where I went wrong. I hadnt considered for instance KXs, QXs, and most importantly - any two paint.. Im struggling to convert villains vpip/pfr stats into sensible (or likely) ranges but getting there. At least I know this is my major problem. Saying all that, I think that based on the range I had given villain, my play was reasonable.

Edit: Nice post Mick. Good point, well made. Like the informative graphics too! That makes a ton of sense. I definitely kept too much air in his range for calling flop and didnt put enough thought into hands that were ahead on the flop.

Ive kind of got half a question swimming round in my head about how to think on the flop in these kinds of situations. Cant quite put my finger on what I want to ask though. Ill give it a go. given his vpip and pfr stats, we can just plug (vpip - pfr) into pokerstove and get a range of hands for him calling pre. post we can just plug in our hand vs that range on that flop and we will get a number for our equity. Now how do I use what I know to bet (or not bet) effectively?

use pokerstove so you can visualize what 8% 3b looks like and so on.

yeah, will do that now.

3, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 40, 50 % ranges, that should about cover most villains. Dunno how Ill remember it all though. Why cant I just be like Mr Dwaaaaan and be able to do the maths in seconds, in my noggin :s

Just to note, if you put in say 15% as a range for a decent reg, you will have to adjust it a bit as stove default % are mathematical and not always an accurate representation of the hands villain will actually play.

Basically you put in x% and it shows villain playing J8o but not A2o and you pretty much just swap them as an example.

yeah I fiddled about with it a bit to get more sensible ranges. I completely see just from this quick look that from about 15% upwards, every range includes all of the two high card combos. I didnt know that!

It's not necessary at all to do math calcs at this levels, or know he's exact range.
You should work on ur fundamentals right now and not on "ok i saw on stove k5s is on his range so i should fold my AK on 5K7". This is a extreme example of course.

The main idea is work on good concepts such as:
-good textures to cbet with
-play according to stack size
-recognize types of players and play accordingly (ur not calling an ALL in with ur AJ against a nit on A 2 2; but you would against a fish).
-simple math such as; if i bet pot on river, i'll gain if i get folds more than 50% of the time.
-don't call 3bet hopping to hit a set, especially when OOP.

etc, keep it simple and worry about developing criative lines etc, when u have oponents that can actually hand read

The main thing I gained from looking at stove is an appreciation of *why* people say that flop smashed his range. good textures to cbet with I think is opponent dependent and I have a better handle on it now than I did before. Dont call a 3bet hoping to hit a set? I think this is wrong. If the odds are correct, you should deffo call a 3bet with pp's.

I think this is one of the most common leaks micro players have.
Calling 3bets especially OOP only to set mine, without any plans to take the pot post flop if you don't hit, will cost you a lot of money in the long term because:
1) you're OOP if you don't hit ur blind
2) you don't have any plan if 2 overs come on flop
3) you're not always guarantted to be paid for ur set

However,you should open 100% with pp's / call open in every position at micros. Especially multiway it's very profitable.

Anyone doing a rush/zoom split and 8tabling their limit?

I would imagine that would be quite difficult lol

I cbet this flop all day long for thin value/thin bluff/protection vs this kinda guy. Fishrange doesnt smash any board hard. If he floats that wide Ace high can become a value bet

well cola, thats what I said - betting for value - but apparently thats no good as flop "smashes" villains range. After playing with poker stove, i can see why.

Looking for some HU action, 50nl 2-3 tables preferably on FT.

I wouldnt cbet as a pure bluff with something like no equity, but we have AJ here. (assuming fullstacks)

Yeah i did think earlier that it's just a cbet for value vs a lot of fish.

Was 4 tabling zoom + 6 normal cash tables during the milestone hand promo. the two games are actually really really different. won't be doing that again lol

The only thing about betting A high for value is its really really hard to play and know where your at, what cards are good or bad for you ect.

Cola, what is your picture showing me?

WooHoo! Someone else is into my cbet being for value!

switched to plo, would of loved to give you action but i really dont want to hurt my bankroll if i run bad, we will organise something in the near future tho.

i mean awkward stacksizes + showdown value, c-betting seems like the worst option

Here is my graph of the past month or so after getting back into poker after funds got unlocked on FTP. Only played 5NL Zoom, my question is whether you guys think it is more beneficial for me to learn how to competently 4 table zoom (atm my A game drops immediately to my D game, it just moves too fast for me) or whether I should just stick to 2-tabling and moving up? And is this red line normal, or is it a really bad thing?



Very bumpy at the start since I had some tilt issues but they have mostly been resolved & have changed my stats/play style over last 30k hands or so and it is going nicely.

Continue 2 table .. especially if u D gaming 4 table.. U will make more wit 2 table anyway..

Nothing wrong wit red line..