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01-19-2013 , 09:35 PM
how is trips a hero call?
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01-19-2013 , 09:44 PM
Q6 you mean he slowplays his flushdraws ott?

i think his sizing is bad also, hero equity is a cool word but im pretty sure a 200nl reg is capable of taking note and merging in this spot next time.
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01-19-2013 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LosingShark
well you've walked into this one, indepth analysis gogogogogogo
I'll give it a shot, but it is at a higher level than I am even really used to thinking at, so might be a bit wrong.
It basically all depends on the concept of hero call equity. The future benefit you reap from making seemingly spewy calls can outweigh the fact that a call might be slightly -EV. With 77 here the hero call equity is huge, as villain will view it as a bad hand to bluffcatch with.
However, hero has to bluffcatch with something, and while KQ might appear better because it blocks villains value hands, 77 is actually better when we take into account the effect of hero call equity.
It is up to debate, but in my opinion in this spot hero call equity> than blocker effect, making it a optimal to place 77 in your bluffcatching range rather than KQ.
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01-19-2013 , 09:51 PM
im assuming working out hero call equity is the same as working out float equity?

so 77-99 would now be in his bluff-catching range so wheres KQ now?
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01-19-2013 , 10:00 PM
The beauty of herocall ranges are mostly in the simplicity of them. In this case, 77 slots neatly in KQ's place, so we can comfortably c/f KQ now.
That's my interpretation of it though, burrns probably understands it slightly better than me, and if you want a really high level explanation you are better asking someone like z0mg or LorenzoV.

HU4HOEs, who is staked and coached by z0mg was the one who taught me most about it so hopefully he'll give his thoughts. He has heard it directly from a high stakes crusher so probably the most qualified in the thread to talk about it :P
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01-19-2013 , 10:14 PM
staked and coached by z0mg, its like his already won before he even plays..

thanks nyways, need to find myself a skype buddy who can explain this stuff indepth to me which is impossible to find.
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01-19-2013 , 10:33 PM
Yo who likes jamming here as a bluff ?

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2071070
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $101.60
SB: $278.69
BB: $536.71
Hero (UTG): $532.69
MP: $201.60
CO: $155.07

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, CO calls $6, 2 folds, BB raises to $25, Hero calls $19, CO calls $19

Flop: ($76.00) 6 Q A (3 players)
BB bets $31, Hero calls $31, CO calls $31

Turn: ($169.00) 3 (3 players)
BB bets $130, Hero calls $130, CO calls $99.07 all in

River: ($528.07) Q (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB bets $130, Hero (villains will have to call $200ish if i jam)
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01-19-2013 , 10:45 PM
poor troll attempt



just really poor
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01-19-2013 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese
poor troll attempt



just really poor
ummmmmm

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2071070
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $101.60
SB: $278.69
BB: $536.71
Hero (UTG): $532.69
MP: $201.60
CO: $155.07

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, CO calls $6, 2 folds, BB raises to $25, Hero calls $19, CO calls $19

Flop: ($76.00) 6 Q A (3 players)
BB bets $31, Hero calls $31, CO calls $31

Turn: ($169.00) 3 (3 players)
BB bets $130, Hero calls $130, CO calls $99.07 all in

River: ($528.07) Q (3 players - 1 is all in)
BB bets $130, Hero raises to $346.69 all in,
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01-19-2013 , 11:45 PM
lollll
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01-20-2013 , 12:47 AM
Because all of CZ are posting hero's, heres mine

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
Hero ($100)
BB ($125)
UTG ($245)
UTG+1 ($225)
CO ($11.50)
BTN ($145)

Dealt to Hero A J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $2, Hero raises to $8, fold, BTN calls $6

FLOP ($17) 5 5 9

Hero bets $9, BTN calls $9

TURN ($35) 5 5 9 A

Hero checks, BTN bets $17, Hero calls $17

RIVER ($69) 5 5 9 A 7

Hero checks, BTN bets $33, Hero calls $33

BTN shows 9 8
(Pre 40%, Flop 76.0%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero shows A J
(Pre 60%, Flop 24.0%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero wins $132

Last edited by HU4hoes; 01-20-2013 at 12:58 AM. Reason: not as epic obv
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01-20-2013 , 03:36 AM
Oh lol just realised plastic is Q6.
Spoiler:
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01-20-2013 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
Well the flop plays itself because I am open ended. On the turn I hit my pair and have the best hand some %, plus there is now four to a straight and it is very unlikely he has a jack (only 4 left in the deck). When he raises it's completely ridiculous because the average player will slowplay the straight there. In addition the fact that I hold both the eight and seven of clubs reduces the clubs left in the deck, so makes it very unlikely that he holds the jack of clubs. I think it is fairly likely he has some kind of low suited connectors here. The river is actually good for me as it is a spade, further reducing his Jx combos as there are now less spades left in the deck so the Js is very unlikely.

Finally, I also had 'hero call equity' the concept that if I call this he will be less willing to try and push me around in future as he knows I am not an easy target.
Don't get the "only 4 jacks left in the deck" part?
Also, if he's raising air ott here he will also be raising with the nuts for balance tho?
And, without being results oriented, isn't it far more likely that he raises turn with a hand that has some equity like XXss or maybe even KQ than just pure air?
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01-20-2013 , 04:41 AM
ssnl/ msnl guys which video instructors from card runners do you recommend? Looking to learn how to hand rand better than a fish.
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01-20-2013 , 05:33 AM
^ Just came across one of verneer's vids on CR, was actually quite decent on NL10. Normal cash though not zoom
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01-20-2013 , 06:22 AM
I am ashamed of myself, playing last night while I was out of my mind on the drink. Brag: Won 10 buyins. Dont try this at home kids!
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01-20-2013 , 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by HU4hoes
Because all of CZ
What is this CZ you guys are talking about?
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01-20-2013 , 07:18 AM
When i was drunk i hoped on a dating sate like a horny old fart. If i hit the rooms it wouldn't be a good sight.
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01-20-2013 , 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
Well the flop plays itself because I am open ended. On the turn I hit my pair and have the best hand some %, plus there is now four to a straight and it is very unlikely he has a jack (only 4 left in the deck). When he raises it's completely ridiculous because the average player will slowplay the straight there. In addition the fact that I hold both the eight and seven of clubs reduces the clubs left in the deck, so makes it very unlikely that he holds the jack of clubs. I think it is fairly likely he has some kind of low suited connectors here. The river is actually good for me as it is a spade, further reducing his Jx combos as there are now less spades left in the deck so the Js is very unlikely.

Finally, I also had 'hero call equity' the concept that if I call this he will be less willing to try and push me around in future as he knows I am not an easy target.
cheers for taking the time to write it out . Just one thing I don't get: how does you holding club reduce the likelyhood of him having Jc?
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01-20-2013 , 08:04 AM
Yeah I was racking my brains over that too. What CZ? Czech Republicans?
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01-20-2013 , 08:16 AM
The mythical hero call equity. Wp
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01-20-2013 , 08:46 AM
plasticelephant is good at maths, don't doubt him imo
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01-20-2013 , 08:58 AM
lolllll this thread is trolling hard

CZ is something that can't be expanded upon, its mystery is its power
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01-20-2013 , 10:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasticElephant
The beauty of herocall ranges are mostly in the simplicity of them. In this case, 77 slots neatly in KQ's place, so we can comfortably c/f KQ now.

That's my interpretation of it though, burrns probably understands it slightly better than me, and if you want a really high level explanation you are better asking someone like z0mg or LorenzoV.

HU4HOEs, who is staked and coached by z0mg was the one who taught me most about it so hopefully he'll give his thoughts. He has heard it directly from a high stakes crusher so probably the most qualified in the thread to talk about it :P
hmmm prolly shouldnt talk strat while half asleep or itt for that matter..

wp Q6
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01-20-2013 , 10:56 AM
Biggest pot to date at 5NL for me I think. Sizing fine? Much bigger flop and turn?

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15591021

    BTN: $5 (100 bb)
    SB: $2.67 (53.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): $10.78 (215.6 bb)
    UTG: $7.44 (148.8 bb)
    MP: $7.24 (144.8 bb)
    CO: $19.40 (388 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 8
    UTG raises to $0.20, MP folds, CO calls $0.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.62) 6 T 9 (3 players)
    Hero checks, UTG bets $0.45, CO calls $0.45, Hero raises to $1.90, UTG calls $1.45, CO calls $1.45

    Turn: ($6.32) 7 (3 players)
    Hero bets $3.50, UTG folds, CO raises to $10.05, Hero calls $5.18 and is all-in

    River: ($23.68) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $23.68 pot ($0.98 rake)
    Final Board: 6 T 9 7 7
    Hero showed 7 8 and won $22.70 ($11.92 net)
    UTG mucked and lost (-$2.10 net)
    CO mucked J Q and lost (-$10.78 net)



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    Last edited by oop u mad; 01-20-2013 at 11:04 AM.
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