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08-06-2013 , 06:33 AM
Dear all,

I've heard people saying that lots of beginners in pokers use fancy styles or bluff without even understanding the basics much. My very stupid/simple question is what are the BASICS? What does it mean by the "Basics" ? Is it bankroll management etc?

Can someone evaluate them, list them (the components that make up the basics ) , break it down, and direct us beginners on how to master the basics by providing links, like which book, which thread to read, which software, which video to watch or any other method etc to get a SOLID FOUNDATION in BASICS?

Thank you so much for the precious reply

Peace

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08-06-2013 , 06:39 AM
From Options > Table Display Options > Display Folded Cards, what does that mean? Does it mean villain sees my holecards after I've folded and if it's not checked he sees those only by going to instant hand history?
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08-06-2013 , 01:06 PM
Feel pretty dumb asking a dumb question.

So someone posted the following regarding a hand they were in:

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Aggressive guy(villain) raised pre. I call IP with QJ suited. Few callers so decent size pot pre. I'll say there were 5 of us for $60. He bets $40. I shove for about $155. He folds. I have 55 percent equity against his hand, so, clearly, I want the call.
So if villain folds hero picks up $100 uncontested. Isn't this ideally what we want in this spot?

Can someone do the math with villain calling the all in?

Thx
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08-06-2013 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by serio562
Feel pretty dumb asking a dumb question.

So someone posted the following regarding a hand they were in:



So if villain folds hero picks up $100 uncontested. Isn't this ideally what we want in this spot?

Can someone do the math with villain calling the all in?

Thx
Sure I can do the math! Which maths though? There are lots of them that can be done here, I'm assuming you want the dollar amounts mapped in a spherical coordinate system and with the geometric shape that is the result of connecting the coordinates, naturally, we should take a three dimensional integral about its surface.
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08-07-2013 , 09:08 PM
Someone else posted this:

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Originally Posted by bip!
100% of ($60 + $40) = $100 EV when he folds

0.55 * ($60 + $155 his) - 0.45 ($155 yours) = $75.5 EV

The fold was best result.
No help from from anyone here though.
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08-08-2013 , 08:43 PM
on pokerstars how do you see hands that your opponent mucked? do you need a hud to do this?

also who is better nanonoko or phil galfond?

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08-09-2013 , 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by calpoker
on pokerstars how do you see hands that your opponent mucked? do you need a hud to do this?
Stars hand replayer

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Originally Posted by calpoker
also who is better nanonoko or phil galfond?
If I told you the 100% guaranteed fact true answer to this, what would you do with that information ?
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08-09-2013 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by calpoker
on pokerstars how do you see hands that your opponent mucked?
Hand history.

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Originally Posted by calpoker
do you need a hud to do this?
No.

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Originally Posted by calpoker
also who is better nanonoko or phil galfond?
Now that they have a kid, do you think Kanye should put a ring on it?


Nut hugger threads go here btw:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/
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08-09-2013 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AlienSpaceBat



If I told you the 100% guaranteed fact true answer to this, what would you do with that information ?
Nothing, just interested ?
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08-10-2013 , 09:54 PM
Just won 66 cents on a Stars freeroll. Best game to take a shot in to build up my roll? On Stars or Tilt? Regular cash games or Rush/Zoom? I don't know how to play PLO so $2PLO is out. I assume the only choice is $2NL.
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08-10-2013 , 10:25 PM
Well nevermind, min buyin is 40BB. Anyway once I freeroll my way to another 14 cents what would the best choice be?

Edit: Looks like the only game I can buy into is the $2NL short stack games at FTP. Yahoo!
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08-10-2013 , 11:02 PM
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i got a question about high stakes games or private games that big names would play in When i go to the casino and a new table starts up, seat selection is always whatever seat you feel like sitting in you just sit there. and i always actively do my best to sit left of the loosest reg.

My question is at these bigger games is there a different process for seat selection?
sorry didnt get an answer?
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08-11-2013 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Well nevermind, min buyin is 40BB. Anyway once I freeroll my way to another 14 cents what would the best choice be?

Edit: Looks like the only game I can buy into is the $2NL short stack games at FTP. Yahoo!
There is super micro sng mtt in stars (0.02-0.10). FL games have low buyin, i think 0.20 is min at stars 0.02/0.04.
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08-11-2013 , 10:37 AM
What does it mean when people say "in a vacuum"

example: Continuation betting that much is unprofitable, especially in a vacuum
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08-11-2013 , 02:39 PM
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What does it mean when people say "in a vacuum"
"in a vacuum" = "without any information."
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08-11-2013 , 05:04 PM
CMAR,

Where were you when I need help?
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08-11-2013 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
Well nevermind, min buyin is 40BB. Anyway once I freeroll my way to another 14 cents what would the best choice be?

Edit: Looks like the only game I can buy into is the $2NL short stack games at FTP. Yahoo!
Aren't there $0.25 and cheaper SNG's? (I'm an American, haven't been on Stars in a while.) Play the cheapest SNGs available.
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08-11-2013 , 09:47 PM
I worked my roll up to $2.12. I think that cheap SnGs are higher variance than cashgames. I've just been set mining and getting lucky. Once hit a set of 5s vs. a straight, then rivered a boat. Then hit another set vs someone who way overplayed top pair.

I guess I will just short stack the $2NL games until I get maybe $10. The FTP "new to the game" and "short stack" tables are full of total noobs and gamboolers respectively.
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08-12-2013 , 01:47 PM
where do babies come from?
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08-12-2013 , 02:00 PM
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where do babies come from?
1. Babies come from the standard deck, particularly in A-5 lowball games. Cards of the lowest ranks, A through 5, are often refered to as babies.

Ex: We're playing eights or better; you know I'm gonna raise with any three babies!


2. They also seem to be regularly, although singly, voiced by Scotty Nguyen.

Ex: Scotty: [Yada, yada, yada], baby! [Yada, yada, yada], baby! That's right, baby!
Observer: That's a lot of babies!

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08-12-2013 , 06:16 PM
What is an average 3bet % at 2nl?

Also, if you're crushing 4 tables of 25nl, what can you expect your hourly rate to be?
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08-12-2013 , 06:22 PM
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What is an average 3bet % at 2nl?
"Average" seems like it's probably a poorly worded question.

How about "good"? Source says "2 to 4% is fine" at the micros.
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08-12-2013 , 06:53 PM
I am testing my hand converter to see if it works.

In this hand I make a very costly rookie mistake. Needless to say, I have learned from this hand. (I won't run through the hand because it is listed below). What I learned is that in a cash game if all the action has been passive, but someone wakes up after the turn and river, then I better have something stronger than 3rd pair :-) OOOPPPS!

cheers.



Hero (BB) ($845)
UTG ($1002)
UTG+1 ($517)
MP1 ($498)
MP2 ($440)
MP3 ($1330)
CO ($385)
Button ($493)
SB ($499)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Js, Qc
2 folds, MP1 calls $5, 1 fold, MP3 calls $5, CO calls $5, Button calls $5, SB calls $3, Hero checks, Hero checks

Flop: ($30) Ah, Kd, 5c (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks

Turn: ($30) Jh (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets $28, 2 folds, Hero calls $28, 2 folds

River: ($86) 7d (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $72, Hero calls $72

Total pot: $230





<br>Hand Replay Tool from <a href="http://www.advancedpokertraining.com"> AdvancedPokerTraining.com</a><br><br>

Hero (BB) ($845)
<br>UTG ($1002)
<br>UTG+1 ($517)
<br>MP1 ($498)
<br>MP2 ($440)
<br>MP3 ($1330)
<br>CO ($385)
<br>Button ($493)
<br>SB ($499)
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<b>Preflop</b>: Hero is BB with J<img src="http://www.advancedpokertraining.com/poker/images/spade.gif">,*Q<img src="http://www.advancedpokertraining.com/poker/images/club.gif"><br>
<font color=#666666><i>2 folds</i></font>, MP1 calls $5, <font color=#666666><i>1 fold</i></font>, MP3 calls $5, CO calls $5, Button calls $5, SB calls $3, Hero checks, Hero checks
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<b>Flop</b>: ($30)*A<img src="http://www.advancedpokertraining.com/poker/images/heart.gif">,*K<img src="http://www.advancedpokertraining.com/poker/images/diamond.gif">,*5<img src="http://www.advancedpokertraining.com/poker/images/club.gif"> <font color=#009B00>(6 players)</font><br>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks
<br><br>
<b>Turn</b>: ($30)*J<img src="http://www.advancedpokertraining.com/poker/images/heart.gif"> <font color=#009B00>(6 players)</font><br>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color=#CC3333>CO bets $28</font>, <font color=#666666><i>2 folds</i></font>, Hero calls $28, <font color=#666666><i>2 folds</i></font>
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<b>River</b>: ($86)*7<img src="http://www.advancedpokertraining.com/poker/images/diamond.gif"> <font color=#009B00>(2 players)</font><br>
Hero checks, <font color=#CC3333>CO bets $72</font>, Hero calls $72
<br><br>
<b>Total pot:</b> $230 <br /><br>
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08-12-2013 , 07:38 PM
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What I learned is that in a cash game if all the action has been passive, but someone wakes up after the turn and river, then I better have something stronger than 3rd pair :-) OOOPPPS!
That lesson is a bit too "passive". 6-way 3rd pair is never worth anything. Should be self-evident, what are the odds that none the other 5 players, with their 10 hole cards, have an ace or king.

On a flop like that you should recognize that many players may have a draw to ace-high straight. You did after all. Limped pot people will play any 2 high cards. Flop comes 2 more high cards, there'll be straight draws looking for the 5th high card.

Vastly multiway on a high flop you gotta be looking for at least 2 pair, imo.
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08-13-2013 , 12:57 AM
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That lesson is a bit too "passive". 6-way 3rd pair is never worth anything. Should be self-evident, what are the odds that none the other 5 players, with their 10 hole cards, have an ace or king.

On a flop like that you should recognize that many players may have a draw to ace-high straight. You did after all. Limped pot people will play any 2 high cards. Flop comes 2 more high cards, there'll be straight draws looking for the 5th high card.

Vastly multiway on a high flop you gotta be looking for at least 2 pair, imo.


I agree! One nuance I will point out is that: because everyone check the flop, I had a pretty good sense that neither the King nor Ace hit anyone on the flop. This is why when I connected with Jack, I felt like I could call a bet of $28. It turns out that I was right that K and A didn't connect. However, I failed to think about the Jack's connection with me. I failed to realize that the only way that someone this passive would have bet out on the turn and river was someone who really connected hard (much harder than it did me) with Jack. The Jack gave her a straight, thus explaining why she was so comfortable betting out both of the last two streets. (ie the QT explains all her actions on the FTR) :-)

Nice little learning hand :-)


Now, I have THREE (3) more hands which I played questionably . . . I post these because I think there is some interesting aspects to them that can be learning points. Feel free to make any comments. That is how we can all learn. I hope we can learn from each other's mistakes/questionable plays.

cheers.

Hand 1

{My comments on this hand: I think there was nothing I could do. His actions seem consistent with a semi-bluff. I am not sure if he was semi-bluffing, but he had me pegged (probably) for the exact hand I had--tPtK. The turn worked out for him exactly. When that scare card club came, I had nothing to do but fold to his strong aggression. Love to hear your thoughts on it}

Hero (MP3) ($495)
CO ($275)
Button ($1006)
SB ($857)
BB ($450)
UTG ($472)
UTG+1 ($1716)
MP1 ($570)
MP2 ($2348)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, A
UTG calls $5, 2 folds, MP2 calls $5, Hero raises to $20, 4 folds, UTG calls $15, MP2 calls $15

Flop: ($67) 7, K, Q (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $40, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $118, Hero calls $78

Turn: ($303) 2 (2 players)
MP2 bets $198, Hero folds

Total pot: $501


Hand 2

{My comments on hand 2: I should have been willing to shove the Flop and put he pressure on either middle set, two pair, or bottom set. It was a perfect semi-bluff re-raise place. At worst, I was at a race. But, I think by the turn, I didn't have enough of a stack to do the shove (ie my stack didn't represent enough fold equity). What do you guys think? I had top pair and a nut flush draw there. Do you agree with me that once I made the mistake of not shove raise the flop, that my stack was too short to shove after his turn bet?. Thx!}

Hero (CO) ($714)
Button ($310)
SB ($500)
BB ($871)
UTG ($460)
UTG+1 ($659)
MP1 ($1401)
MP2 ($580)
MP3 ($2194)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, A
UTG calls $5, 1 fold, MP1 calls $5, MP2 calls $5, MP3 calls $5, Hero calls $5, Hero checks, Button calls $5, SB calls $3, BB checks

Flop: ($40) J, 5, 4 (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $20, Hero raises to $50, 2 folds, BB calls $50, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $176, Hero calls $126, 1 fold

Turn: ($442) A (2 players)
MP3 bets $278, Hero folds

Total pot: $720

Hand 3

{I can't pin point my mistake. But I have some guesses: I think AQ was not strong enough to call a 4 bet?!?! I think I would have saved money by folding to the 3 bet?? I mean, I had good reason to 3 bet because I wanted to isolate--which I did accomplish. But, when SB 4 bets into me, I don't think AQ was strong enough to call that 4 bet. I also don't think that 5 bet makes sense. So, I guess my plan should have been more clear: ie when I three bet, I should have been willing to fold to the 4 bet, instead of calling it in position. . . . What do you guys think? I need a bit of help on this one} Thx!

Hero (BB) ($912)
UTG ($313)
UTG+1 ($500)
MP1 ($876)
MP2 ($460)
MP3 ($659)
CO ($1401)
Button ($580)
SB ($1988)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A
UTG calls $5, 1 fold, MP1 calls $5, 4 folds, SB raises to $25, Hero raises to $74, 2 folds, SB raises to $196, Hero calls $122

Flop: ($402) 10, 3, 6 (2 players)
SB bets $248, Hero folds

Total pot: $650

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