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05-23-2012 , 02:30 AM
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05-23-2012 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Yes, I have wondered about this, especially when related to TV poker.
When the cameras have shown someone fold an ace, for example, do they then remove that from the outs when calculating equity?
It could be that we (the viewer) know that the player has no outs, because they have been folded, yet the equity as calculated could be quite good.
the vast majority of shows don't adjust the odds. i think that's the best way to do it, in case someone tunes in mid hand, they don't get confused/think the show is wrong. and people that are enthusiastic about poker and have learnt the odds like to see what they've learnt reflected on screen

every now and again the commentator can just chime in 'well of course we know a king has been folded, so he's drawing really slim' or whatever if the onscreen graphics look weird

i remember the one show to really go nuts and keep adjusting the odds on every street was the professional poker tour. like if you watch here they adjust the % going into the river because the JT has only 1 out due to folded cards, they even have a pop up message about it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXQfzYfZUXo#t=3m12s. the commentators mention it every 10 mins

and the show was a flop. pro vs pro, with tons of stats, isn't that marketable (e.g. epic poker)
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05-23-2012 , 03:28 AM
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How many posts do I need before I can PM people
you can scroll up to the top and find the Search this Thread. Type in "when can I PM"

Or you can go back to the main lobby and click the link for Announcements: Beginner FAQ.

Not really a dumb question.....the absolute answer you will find through your hunting will be......there is no set rule as to when, other than the most assumed answer is...... it won't happen very soon.
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05-23-2012 , 04:45 AM
thanKING you very much for that information hohoho

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05-23-2012 , 08:48 PM
random ps lobby question, is there a way to 'sit out next bb' on all my tables without hitting that box on every table?
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05-24-2012 , 12:39 PM
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random ps lobby question, is there a way to 'sit out next bb' on all my tables without hitting that box on every table?
I don't play stars, but try the software forum.
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05-24-2012 , 01:17 PM
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random ps lobby question, is there a way to 'sit out next bb' on all my tables without hitting that box on every table?
At top left corner of the table, click the little green arrow. Its in there
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05-24-2012 , 06:04 PM
Ok so,
I'm somewhat new to poker. Been studying up on poker theory and uNL strategies on 2p2. I'm looking to jump in on Bovada with a minimal bankroll. I play live home games which I do well in, but I understand online games are a different beast altogether. And everyone who plays with play money games is so erratic that you can't even play strategically.

I figure for a $20 deposit I can play for a while and learn some of the ins and outs, while also studying up on here. I'm fairly positive I'm going to lose that deposit.

My question is this: I understand that Holdem Manager doesn't support Bovada. Is there another program that is somewhat easier to use that I should get? I'm not looking for anything too in depth, but something to help calculate odds, maybe get some graphs and stats, but basic level stuff.

Also, I know we're not really supposed to ask about where to play, but (I'm in the US) does anyone think there's a better place to play besides Bovada for what I'm looking to do?

Thanks guys, have a good day.
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05-24-2012 , 06:47 PM
Hey guys, so i've just started playing some poker again and need some advice. The pre-flop call was marginal, but this guy has been raising and re-raising me a few times. I haven't played zoom all that much either.
What do I do on this river?

PokerStars Zoom Hand #80935513528: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2012/05/24 23:52:05 AEST [2012/05/24 9:52:05 ET]
Table 'Omega Centauri' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: gunnerz69 ($152.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Villian ($165.90 in chips)
Seat 3: xx($170.80 in chips)
Seat 4: xx($174.45 in chips)
Seat 5: xx ($36.50 in chips)
Seat 6: xx($102.32 in chips)
Seat 7: xx($50.23 in chips)
Seat 8: xx($100 in chips)
Seat 9: xx($125.11 in chips)
Villian: posts small blind $0.50
xx: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gunnerz69 [Js Ts]
xx: folds
xx: folds
xx: folds
xx: folds
xx: folds
xx: folds
gunnerz69: raises $2 to $3
Villian: raises $6 to $9
xx: folds
gunnerz69: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [5d Jc Jh]
Villian: checks
gunnerz69: bets $5
Villian: calls $5
*** TURN *** [5d Jc Jh] [8d]
Villian: checks
gunnerz69: bets $19
Villian: raises $19 to $38
gunnerz69: calls $19
*** RIVER *** [5d Jc Jh 8d] [6s]
Villian: bets $35
gunnerz69: ??
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05-24-2012 , 06:50 PM
SnuggleBear,

I don't know much about the various programs and poker sites around so take this with a pinch of salt.

My opinion is that you are better off using either HEM1 (HEM2 is buggy) or PT4 because they are the main HUDs on the market and widely considered the only 2 good options.

Therefore if you want a HUD and want to track your play in order to get better, then maybe select a poker client based on it's compatability with your chosen HUD rather than the other way around. If we're talking about a $20 deposit it sounds like your concern is to get better rather than amount of money involved so it makes sense to use the best tools available.

BTW If you can afford the $60 or so for a HUD you can presumably deposit $50 instead of $20 and thus be rolled properly to play 2NL cash.
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05-24-2012 , 07:59 PM
What do you think about the STT late stage flush draw shove?

A common scenario is say you have 10-15 BB in the mid to late stages of a STT sng and on the flop 2 cards to your high flush hit so you are one out away from hitting what figures to be the best hand and the guy makes a lead out bet on the flop giving you 3-1 pot odds so if you take implied odds you have about a 40% chance to hit your flush given the turn and river and only need 25% chance given the pot odds, but you also know if you just call he will make an even bigger bet on the turn forcing you to fold unless you hit your flush with next card. What do you think about just shoving with the flush draw in the late stages of the tourney?? This way you have big fold equity and if he calls you are still a favorite to hit your flush even if you just made your pot odds 2-1
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05-25-2012 , 04:26 AM
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What do you think about the STT late stage flush draw shove?

A common scenario is say you have 10-15 BB in the mid to late stages of a STT sng and on the flop 2 cards to your high flush hit so you are one out away from hitting what figures to be the best hand and the guy makes a lead out bet on the flop giving you 3-1 pot odds so if you take implied odds you have about a 40% chance to hit your flush given the turn and river and only need 25% chance given the pot odds, but you also know if you just call he will make an even bigger bet on the turn forcing you to fold unless you hit your flush with next card. What do you think about just shoving with the flush draw in the late stages of the tourney?? This way you have big fold equity and if he calls you are still a favorite to hit your flush even if you just made your pot odds 2-1
man man man. i gotta go to bed. if no one answers this by the time i get home form work tomorrow i will (the best i can). but keep in mind your question is quite vague (HU? raised pot?, stack size?, remaining players? could be player specific als), and you don't quite have odds right either. to help someone else answer perhaps post current blinds and stack sizes and pot size and if this is mid/late then number of player left is important too. I don't play stt much anymore but i could provide insight but i bet you could find a better answer from an stt player in the stt section of the forum. post the hand itself or if you don't have tracking software just make a hand up with all the stats necessary. actually that is my new answer, post a hand there, you will get many insights and if not they will tell you why they can't answer it. it would be a fun one to dive into though imo.


an even better answer could be to look into a program called sng wizard, last time i checked it had a free trial. it will tell you (may have to manipulate a bit) what to do in the late stages of a sng.

Last edited by chode; 05-25-2012 at 04:33 AM. Reason: longest non-answer
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05-25-2012 , 04:36 AM
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Hey guys, so i've just started playing some poker again and need some advice. The pre-flop call was marginal, but this guy has been raising and re-raising me a few times. I haven't played zoom all that much either.
What do I do on this river?

PokerStars Zoom Hand #80935513528: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2012/05/24 23:52:05 AEST [2012/05/24 9:52:05 ET]
Table 'Omega Centauri' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: gunnerz69 ($152.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Villian ($165.90 in chips)
Seat 3: xx($170.80 in chips)
Seat 4: xx($174.45 in chips)
Seat 5: xx ($36.50 in chips)
Seat 6: xx($102.32 in chips)
Seat 7: xx($50.23 in chips)
Seat 8: xx($100 in chips)
Seat 9: xx($125.11 in chips)
Villian: posts small blind $0.50
xx: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gunnerz69 [Js Ts]
xx: folds
xx: folds
xx: folds
xx: folds
xx: folds
xx: folds
gunnerz69: raises $2 to $3
Villian: raises $6 to $9
xx: folds
gunnerz69: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [5d Jc Jh]
Villian: checks
gunnerz69: bets $5
Villian: calls $5
*** TURN *** [5d Jc Jh] [8d]
Villian: checks
gunnerz69: bets $19
Villian: raises $19 to $38
gunnerz69: calls $19
*** RIVER *** [5d Jc Jh 8d] [6s]
Villian: bets $35
gunnerz69: ??
post this in the SSnl full ring section
post this in the SSnl full ring section
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05-25-2012 , 06:09 PM
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man man man. i gotta go to bed. if no one answers this by the time i get home form work tomorrow i will (the best i can). but keep in mind your question is quite vague (HU? raised pot?, stack size?, remaining players? could be player specific als), and you don't quite have odds right either. to help someone else answer perhaps post current blinds and stack sizes and pot size and if this is mid/late then number of player left is important too. I don't play stt much anymore but i could provide insight but i bet you could find a better answer from an stt player in the stt section of the forum. post the hand itself or if you don't have tracking software just make a hand up with all the stats necessary. actually that is my new answer, post a hand there, you will get many insights and if not they will tell you why they can't answer it. it would be a fun one to dive into though imo.


an even better answer could be to look into a program called sng wizard, last time i checked it had a free trial. it will tell you (may have to manipulate a bit) what to do in the late stages of a sng.
-7 players left
-2 players left in hand counting yourself
-you are in position on the flop and your opponent leads out for a 200 bet making the pot now 500
-you both have 2,000 chips left
-blinds are 100/200
-villian is TAG
-villian has TPTK
-you have club flush draw

What I am saying whether than call with the 5-2 pot odds, why not shove AI, that way if he calls the pot will now be 4,500 if he calls your AI so you are getting 4,500-2,000 or 9-4 pot odds which slightly worse than than the 5-2 pot odds but may force an immediate fold, meaning you have to be about 30% favorite to win the hand since there are 9 clubs left in the deck and 2 streets to go which is more like 36-40% favorite so it is a good shove especially counting your fold equity. get it?
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05-25-2012 , 08:20 PM
Basic BRM is to have at least 20BIs for the level. Is this considered the actual stake or the BI?

For example say i play $1/2 stakes and have $4k. if buyin is 200bb-$400, would it still be considered to be played for 20BIs or if i buyin for $400 that is ONE buyin and if i do this i should (if using 20BI rule) have atleast $8k to play in that stake?

This is a question i and a friend discussed and its the general thought of the 20BI rule. I already know my WR etc have a big impact on this but im just wondering about how the 20BI rule works when u buyin for 200bb.
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05-25-2012 , 09:57 PM
If your buyin is 200bb, then the 20 buyin rule applies to that larger buyin, the only exception to that would be if the other players never have you covered...if effective stacks are only ever 100bb then that's your buyin.
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05-25-2012 , 10:19 PM
Are there any programs (or other ways) that keep different cash game limit filter's the same for different limits? As you know for example PokerStars only has 1 ring game filter for all cash games. So if I want to search 2NL and 5NL tables at the same time by using PokerStars' Hold'Em Ring Game Filter, I need to change the filter settings each time I want to change the limit of tables I'm searching.

This would also be very useful for SNG as in SNG the filter is same for HU & normal single table SNG, so atm I need to change that every time as well.
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05-26-2012 , 12:02 AM
Are there any software besides tourney manager that can keep track of your tourney stats?
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05-26-2012 , 01:28 AM
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How do sites like Bovada/Carbon/Cake afford to give people deposit bonuses?
Example: Bovada right now is running a thing where they'll match your deposit for up to $1000.

Assuming they did this for every player, they'd have an awful lot of "unreal" (doubled) money floating around.

Is this just a technique to get you to make your first buyin and get sucked in?
What stops someone from depositing a grand, ending up with two grand, and cashing out?
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05-26-2012 , 02:29 AM
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Question:
How do sites like Bovada/Carbon/Cake afford to give people deposit bonuses?
Example: Bovada right now is running a thing where they'll match your deposit for up to $1000.

Assuming they did this for every player, they'd have an awful lot of "unreal" (doubled) money floating around.

Is this just a technique to get you to make your first buyin and get sucked in?
What stops someone from depositing a grand, ending up with two grand, and cashing out?
You don't get the bonus instantly. You have to "clear" it by earning "points" which are tied to how much rake you pay through play. It's important to find out how much you have to play to clear bonuses -- poker sites will advertise bonuses like "100% to $500" but bury how fast you earn these bonuses at the bottom of their FAQ.

Off the top of my head, Pokerstars' first deposit bonus clears at a rate of $1 per 17.5 VPP. You earn 6 VPP per $1 paid in rake. So, you pay ~$3 in rake, you get $1 back. (numbers may be off, i don't remember)

It ends up working out like earning rakeback -- you get a percentage of the rake you pay back. Poker sites don't actually give you money to play there.
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05-26-2012 , 12:41 PM
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At top left corner of the table, click the little green arrow. Its in there
perfect thanks!
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05-26-2012 , 04:02 PM
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Are there any software besides tourney manager that can keep track of your tourney stats?
Hold Em Manager
Poker Tracker
Poker Office
FPDB

HEM and PT are the two most used. They have free trials, see which one you prefer.
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05-26-2012 , 07:45 PM
Say if a villain calls your bet on the river and then mucks his cards because he's beat, how come its possible to go into the instant hand history and you can see his cards? I mean why would this be allowed online, but in a live game when a guy mucks his cards, you cant reach over and turn his cards face up to see what he had?

Its pretty much the same thing isn't it?
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05-26-2012 , 08:37 PM
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Its pretty much the same thing isn't it?
Live and online are different. Try tipping the dealer online...

It's an anti-collusion measure. Live you can ask the dealer to expose the hand. Online you can always check the HH.
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05-27-2012 , 02:25 PM
How would you introduce poker to a friend? Like he plays home games and zynga, but not online for real money. You don't want to bombard him with much info, but like say what are the essentials to get him/her interested?
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