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12-14-2013 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by birdayy
Should have mentioned he literally donk potted every flop.

I basically treated it the same as a check.
Well, he hasn't donked pot, he's overbet so I'd still rather have a made hand to be calling this with, otherwise we're going to be folding a lot of turns

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Originally Posted by McSkinny
@dunna, I would 4b pre with co open + btn 3b, I want to be squeezing here a decent amount so I need some strong hands in my range, and reiso'ing the fish is good too. As played I'm not folding the river. Fish like to bluff like this and the only flopped draws missed.
Thanks. I flatted to keep fish in, but prob better to do this IP than OOP so we can control the pot better.

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayer66
I do read the forums a fair bit, and make sure to post a couple of hand histories every day in the microstakes forums. But I've got to play way more than 4.5k hands at 6max otherwise it's difficult to know what the problems are as variance impacts a lot on results at that level of hands.
Even after 4.5k hands there'll be loads of spots you can pick out and brush up on. Have you tried running any filters to at least take a look? Variance can of course be wicked, but shouldn't be used as an excuse for not making the effort to improve at all times.

There's been some great posts on BQ recently from players like DGI Harris and Z4reio, and they all say the same thing. Those who work hardest succeed. Simple as that really.
12-14-2013 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Examples?
Most of the hands I post in this thread!
Hawk, you've obviously been around the forum for a fair amount of time. Are you not picking up on spots where you are making the same mistakes?

If not, like PP66, you need to get stuck into your database and run some filters otherwise you'll just be leaking money the same way over and over again, and just posting the worst hands or a few coolers isn't going to make those problems go away

Happy to take a look at your stats if you like (and anyone else ITT who would like the help) but everyone who plays the micros, including me, really needs to get to grips with their database and leakfinding. If you don't it's just going to be groundhog day every month

12-14-2013 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunna100
Hawk, you've obviously been around the forum for a fair amount of time. Are you not picking up on spots where you are making the same mistakes?
I probably need to leak bust a bit more.
I do review the tricky hands after each session.
Thing is, last month I was thinking I cracked 5nl an was thinking about moving up then suddenly blown away in a few sessions.

I'm obviously repeating some mistakes but I think I'm improving gradually and I pretty much know what I need to improve which is 1. being more aggressive and 2. dealing with aggression better.
My stats show I'm not aggressive enough and my redline is negative.

I don't really have time at the moment to study (or play) all that much but I do want to move up to 10nl soon so I probably should
12-14-2013 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
1. being more aggressive and 2. dealing with aggression better.
Ye, the main thing I need to work on is win more money.

Having goals with no plan to achieve or move towards achieving them essentially a pointless exercise. Wanting to play 10nl and not wanting to put any work in is like saying you want to play 100nl and not put any work in.

And when I asked for examples I meant examples of something you've studied, what you did to study and how you are having trouble applying it in game.

Basically all boils down to what I always say, posting 3 hands a day in here isn't going to make you good at poker any time soon. It may drag you slowly through 2nl and 5nl but won't get you much further than that. All the proof you need is almost everyone who posts in this thread.
12-14-2013 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by MMSS
Ye, the main thing I need to work on is win more money.
I feel like you're being pretty facetious.
You know very well that simply being aggressive isn't the way to win money.
12-14-2013 , 07:35 AM
Had a 10BI DS as of yesterday, going to avoid playing until tomorrow. This poker lark sucks at times.
12-14-2013 , 07:40 AM
Dunna, AKo hand I'd lead otf. As played, sigh fold.
12-14-2013 , 07:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
I probably need to leak bust a bit more.
I do review the tricky hands after each session.
Thing is, last month I was thinking I cracked 5nl an was thinking about moving up then suddenly blown away in a few sessions.
Oh god I know that feeling. In my first week of 4nl I absolutely crushed it, like 30bb/100 crushing. Halfway towards my 'move up to 10nl' target.

Then a week later I'm still at exactly that same point, having made nothing at all the past week.

Like you, I tag the tricky hands, and try and post them in the forum afterwards. Thing is it'd be easier in a way if I was losing big pots, as at least it'd be easy to spot the leaks. Instead I lose lots of small pots, stack the occasional mega donk so I keep afloat and break even, but not really moving the bankroll forwards.
12-14-2013 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayer66
Like you, I tag the tricky hands, and try and post them in the forum afterwards. Thing is it'd be easier in a way if I was losing big pots, as at least it'd be easy to spot the leaks. Instead I lose lots of small pots, stack the occasional mega donk so I keep afloat and break even, but not really moving the bankroll forwards.
What will help you is really thinking about the hands before you post them, and then put your thought process down as well, from preflop up until the end of the hand. That will help you much much more than just posting hands and then just thinking 'ah yeah of course' when someone tells you how it would have been better played. It's your thought processes that need changing. I can gaurentee (from experience) that it will be how you actually analyse a situation that will be incorrect, or need work at least.

Obviously stacking donks is our bread and butter, and why we table select. But, if you're hemorrhaging money to the regs, then you're probably playing too high or have some pretty major leaks at least
12-14-2013 , 09:31 AM
Yeah Stude, I think if you've been here posting hands for 2 years or so you should be out of 5nl by now.

Might be worth posting a vid like TDA did for a bit of a leakfinder? Could also post stats etc.
12-14-2013 , 10:26 AM
Post more in the Microstakes PL/NL forum, IMO. This thread is alright for general strat, but is limited by the amount of people that view it, thus meaning you usually only get a few view points on hands and such where as the uNL forum has a tonne of active viewers/posters, including people who play anywhere from 100nl to 5kNL.
12-14-2013 , 10:35 AM
Gonna do another 6 max play money practice session tomorrow if any BQ guys are interested.

Would most likely be at 2pm GMT (9am EST) Sunday on the Shanoo home games club.

If you guys want a different time feel free to speak up.
12-14-2013 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by birdayy
Yeah Stude, I think if you've been here posting hands for 2 years or so you should be out of 5nl by now.

Might be worth posting a vid like TDA did for a bit of a leakfinder? Could also post stats etc.
I've probably played 20k hands of 2nl, 20k hands of 4nl and maybe 50k hands of 5nl in all that time which is peanuts compared to most so I'm not too worried about that.
Although I did a few k hands at 10nl as well and reckon it's about the same as 5nl and I could easily play it and not lose much.
12-14-2013 , 11:44 AM
Best session since starting to play again (NL50 6max), thought I would brag



And here is overall so far

12-14-2013 , 01:02 PM
Pretty aggro huh?
12-14-2013 , 01:44 PM
Interesting spot from earlier.

Villain is 45/45 over 22 hands (no postflop reads)

Where does AJo fall in your ranges here? Fold, call or 4bet?

I was erring towards calling as we have decent equity against his mid PPs and dominate his KTs or QJs type hands, but thought I'd go the more aggressive route as this is probably around the top of my folding range as calling suited broadways and 88-JJ is probably a better construct? Not sure...

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21509401

    BTN: $10 (100 bb)
    SB: $10 (100 bb)
    BB: $10 (100 bb)
    UTG: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
    Hero (MP): $12.05 (120.5 bb)
    CO: $5 (50 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with J A
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.20, BTN raises to $10 and is all-in, Hero folds




    Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
    12-14-2013 , 02:05 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dunna100
    Interesting spot from earlier.

    Villain is 45/45 over 22 hands (no postflop reads)

    Where does AJo fall in your ranges here? Fold, call or 4bet?

    I was erring towards calling as we have decent equity against his mid PPs and dominate his KTs or QJs type hands, but thought I'd go the more aggressive route as this is probably around the top of my folding range as calling suited broadways and 88-JJ is probably a better construct? Not sure...

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21509401

      BTN: $10 (100 bb)
      SB: $10 (100 bb)
      BB: $10 (100 bb)
      UTG: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
      Hero (MP): $12.05 (120.5 bb)
      CO: $5 (50 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with J A
      UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.20, BTN raises to $10 and is all-in, Hero folds




      Get the Flash Player to use the Hold'em Manager Replayer.
      What's his 3b% in them 22 hands? 45/45 is high ofc but 22 hands is a really low sample.

      I personally just fold to the 3b as i hate playing OOP and won't get it in with AJo pre-flop. What's your reasoning for 4betting? Not saying it's wrong just i don't have a thought process for this particular action.
      12-14-2013 , 02:07 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Viva La Crayon
      What's his 3b% in them 22 hands? 45/45 is high ofc but 22 hands is a really low sample.

      I personally just fold to the 3b as i hate playing OOP and won't get it in with AJo pre-flop. What's your reasoning for 4betting? Not saying it's wrong just i don't have a thought process for this particular action.
      He's 3bet twice out of eight samples.

      I already posted my thought process, top of folding range, blockers and all that
      12-14-2013 , 02:20 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      He's 3bet twice out of eight samples.

      I already posted my thought process, top of folding range, blockers and all that
      Yea, i should learn to read -_-

      I've really nitted up recently going from 26/22 to 17/14/3 at 10NL Zoom so for me this is a standard fold to the 3b.

      Am i missing value by folding too easily OOP to 3b's like this? I've cut down my SB & UTG stats to 12/9 as i'm really trying to step away from playing anything OOP besides the top of my range.
      12-14-2013 , 02:59 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dunna100
      Pretty aggro huh?
      Selectively aggressive, a lot of regs have pretty big leaks that I can take advantage of. They often cbet too often, raise too many hands from late position, give up on a lot of turns oop ect.
      12-14-2013 , 03:51 PM
      @dunna, im probably calling vs that big of an aggro monkey, you could just call the 3b, but 4b/c seems fine too
      12-14-2013 , 04:01 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by McSkinny
      but 4b/c seems fine too
      no sir. pretty much never 4bet calling AJo. I wouldn't even call it off with JJ here.
      12-14-2013 , 04:02 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Viva La Crayon

      Am i missing value by folding too easily OOP to 3b's like this? I've cut down my SB & UTG stats to 12/9 as i'm really trying to step away from playing anything OOP besides the top of my range.
      12/9 frm the SB? a 25% range is nitty from the SB. There is only one player left to act.
      12-14-2013 , 04:02 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by McSkinny
      @dunna, im probably calling vs that big of an aggro monkey, you could just call the 3b, but 4b/c seems fine too
      I can't think of many situations where 4b calling AJ is gonna be +ev
      12-14-2013 , 04:09 PM
      Part 2 of the 2NL series live in about 5 minutes at http://youtu.be/wGywWd-msPs. Tried to address a couple of comments about the previous one.

            
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