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12-14-2013 , 04:13 PM
vs a 45/45 monkey? not a 22/18 tag, cmon guys...
12-14-2013 , 04:39 PM
Thoughts ?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $14.54 (VPIP: 17.60, PFR: 13.30, 3Bet Preflop: 8.08, Hands: 237)
SB: $4.49 (VPIP: 69.34, PFR: 42.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 140)
BB: $14.10 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 12.73, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 55)
Hero (UTG): $29.34
CO: $10.00 (VPIP: 19.75, PFR: 14.18, 3Bet Preflop: 2.43, Hands: 571)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 7 6

Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95, 3 players) J 9 K
BB bets $0.65, Hero raises to $2.10, fold, BB calls $1.45

Turn: ($5.15, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.15, 2 players) 3
BB bets $2.90, fold

Spoiler:
BB wins $4.92
12-14-2013 , 04:49 PM
I take it folding river here is pretty standard? Should I have even bet?

888 Poker - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): 129 BB
MP: 94 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 424.75 BB (VPIP: 22.28, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 3.51, Hands: 185)
BTN: 105 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
SB: 115.5 BB (VPIP: 27.92, PFR: 12.70, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 320)
BB: 47.25 BB (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 5 4 9
Hero bets 5.5 BB, CO calls 5.5 BB

Turn: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 9.25 BB, CO calls 9.25 BB

River: (37 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 18.5 BB, CO raises to 37 BB, fold

CO wins 70.5 BB
12-14-2013 , 04:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma001
12/9 frm the SB? a 25% range is nitty from the SB. There is only one player left to act.
Im not that great heads up so when folded round to me I rarely open a pot OOP if it's a taggy player as people tend to defend fairly wide. Like I said I'm trying to cut out most of my OOP spots. That might be -EV long term or whatever but for now I honestly find it to hard with a range slightly wider than 12-15%.

That's not to say I don't open hands like Q8s etc. UTG it there a fish in the blinds. Just for me now playing predominantly in position has been very profitable for me vs opening SB wide and 3b'ing wide in the blinds.
12-14-2013 , 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by McSkinny
vs a 45/45 monkey? not a 22/18 tag, cmon guys...
its 22 hands and he has only 3bet twice... stacking off with AJ in 6max is hemorrhaging money nearly no matter who you are up against.

@viva, I hope you mean you open Q8s sometimes in the SB not UTG.

@asriva, looks fine.
12-14-2013 , 05:09 PM
@pokerplayer, bit larger OTT, XF river. As played that is one of the easiest folds you will ever make.
12-14-2013 , 05:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Part 2 of the 2NL series live in about 5 minutes at http://youtu.be/wGywWd-msPs. Tried to address a couple of comments about the previous one.
only watched to 32:00 (stopped watching after that JK vs QQ hand, ugly cooler) because I'm ill, feeling like **** and couldn't really concentrate anymore, but up to that point I can say you improved. There swere still moments where you talked too fast and not loud enough, but there were far fewer of those moments than in part 1 and for most of the time I could easily understand what you were saying. You're explanation about why (not) cbetting or why (not) making a certain play was also better and more easy to follow than it was in part 1.

I still think you sometimes use terms that are too advanced though. OTOH, if people don't get those terms they might as well google them for themselves, so it might not be that big a deal.

BTW, I know it hurts to not light 3bet an UTG open in MP with A8o, but that's just how we 2NL'ers roll
12-14-2013 , 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamma001
its 22 hands and he has only 3bet twice... stacking off with AJ in 6max is hemorrhaging money nearly no matter who you are up against.

@viva, I hope you mean you open Q8s sometimes in the SB not UTG.

@asriva, looks fine.
UTG

If I have 3 regs to my left and a fish in the blinds I'm using my CO opening range UTG
12-14-2013 , 05:25 PM
that's a really big over adjustment.

On the table you described you might go from ATo to A9o or A9s to A7s. Q8s is far far down the list.
12-14-2013 , 05:32 PM
Q8s is basically the bottom of my range for doing it, it depends how much of a fish they are. But for the majority of the fish that's the bottom of my range for doing it.

It seems to cause some confusion amongst regs who seem to note i open Q8s etc. UTG but don't note the circumstance
12-14-2013 , 05:35 PM
Someone at one of my tables is shoving every other hand.
Seen him show 99 and Q2o

Too nitty folding AQs 150bb deep?
Also just folded AJs...
12-14-2013 , 06:00 PM
Call both imo.

@Crayon - Q8s is too wide UTG. You'll lose more than you win

All, thx for your thoughts re my AJo hand. Think it's a tough one as potentially on the cusp, so maybe a flat is better rather than turn it into a bluff? Meh, more research then!
12-14-2013 , 06:00 PM
@ Stude, If someone is shoving every hand, AQs is a snapcall vs that villain. It's different ofc when somebody already called his all in. AJs is also a snapcall imo. If you've seen him (open?)shove Q2o pre, then why are you even doubting to call with AQs? Seems pretty nitty to me...

Also, could someone please help me with HM2? I want to filter on all the hands that I cbet flop vs 1 opponent (HU), but don't know how to do it... There is a stat called "Flop Cbet% succes vs 1" but that's how many times I take the pot down with the cbet and not how many times I actually cbet vs 1 opponent... Have tried googling it but couldn't find anything... How do I do filter this? (Note: setting the "players between [2] and [2]" does not work since I then get all the hands that I played with only 2 people at the table.)
12-14-2013 , 06:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by F2012
@ Stude, If someone is shoving every hand, AQs is a snapcall vs that villain. It's different ofc when somebody already called his all in. AJs is also a snapcall imo. If you've seen him (open?)shove Q2o pre, then why are you even doubting to call with AQs? Seems pretty nitty to me...
Only really questioning the size of the pot and AJs.
He had 200bb, me 150.
100 deep I'd call AQs.

EDIT: He was shoving probably 3 out of 5 hands.
He was also limping from time to time
12-14-2013 , 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Part 2 of the 2NL series live in about 5 minutes at http://youtu.be/wGywWd-msPs. Tried to address a couple of comments about the previous one.
Cool - will watch.
Turn down the annoying PS alert beep though?
12-14-2013 , 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Only really questioning the size of the pot and AJs.
He had 200bb, me 150.
100 deep I'd call AQs.

EDIT: He was shoving probably 3 out of 5 hands.
He was also limping from time to time
If his range doesn't change with stack size then yours shouldn't necessarily either
12-14-2013 , 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
If his range doesn't change with stack size then yours shouldn't necessarily either
Of course, good point!
12-14-2013 , 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Only really questioning the size of the pot and AJs.
He had 200bb, me 150.
100 deep I'd call AQs.

EDIT: He was shoving probably 3 out of 5 hands.
He was also limping from time to time
With shoving you mean open shoving or shoving over just a raise ( = ridic sizing)?

If you say he only did it a couple of hands I could see an argument for folding AJs... Still, I think I would call the AQs 150 deep with the information you gave.

Let's say he's shoving TT+ and any Ax broadway (ATs+. ATo+), which is a REALLY tight range to give him, (we can give him way more Ax, lower pairs and broadways imo) we still have 50% vs him
12-14-2013 , 06:24 PM
He was open shoving and 3 bet shoving.

Anyway, both clearly a call it seems:

Equity Win Tie
MP2 34.11% 32.53% 1.58% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, JTs, T9s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J5o+, T9o }
MP3 65.89% 64.32% 1.58% { AQs }

Equity Win Tie
MP2 36.43% 34.75% 1.68% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, JTs, T9s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J5o+, T9o }
MP3 63.57% 61.89% 1.68% { AJs }
12-14-2013 , 06:26 PM
Down another buyin. Good god, when variance hits, it really does hit.

Course it could be just that I suck!

So that's 4.5 buyins down since yesterday. All in EV suggests I should be down 2.5 but that's still not great. Only got someone stacked once in 1000 hands. Got stacked twice myself (once a suckout, once a poor read on a villain) then a load of 25-50bb pots lost.

Ah well, will watch match of the day then get back to it.
12-14-2013 , 06:29 PM
Villain was a big fish playing 75/21 over 24 hands. Saw him calling down 3barrels with TPWK vs me earlier on a very wet and paired board. Do you guys raise flop? If so, how do you proceed turn if he A) donks again and B) he checks?

Also, does anyone raise turn since it now is less likely he has Kx?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (CO): $7.40 (148 bb)
BTN: $6.40 (128 bb)
SB: $1.97 (39.4 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
MP: $10.83 (216.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.20, BTN folds, SB calls $0.18, BB folds

Flop: ($0.45) T K 8 (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.65) K (2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

River: ($0.85) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30
12-14-2013 , 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerPlayer66
Down another buyin. Good god, when variance hits, it really does hit.

Course it could be just that I suck!

So that's 4.5 buyins down since yesterday. All in EV suggests I should be down 2.5 but that's still not great. Only got someone stacked once in 1000 hands. Got stacked twice myself (once a suckout, once a poor read on a villain) then a load of 25-50bb pots lost.

Ah well, will watch match of the day then get back to it.
You need to come up with a way of not caring. Don't even bother looking at your results after a session it's just a pointless exercise for most people because all it does it tilt them.

Also the reason you're losing is more than likely that you're not that good. You may be running bad too, but blaming it on variance is just a very poor excuse for not getting better.



Think that's me done with 6max hypers till tomorrow (and by that I mean early morning).

That 16BI downswing was interesting because I'm only playing with ~40BI when the graph is at 0. Played through it pretty well though I thought. Red line always takes a hit when losing even if playing well because lots of things happen which EV line doesn't take into account.

19VPP needed for weekly mission, going to clear tomorrow (i.e. early morning)

96VPP needed for $50 stellar bonus, going to try and get done by the 20th.

(0.55VPP/SNG)

Here's hoping I don't go bust in the mean time. Then that's me done playing till next year. When I'm going to crush the **** out of zoom.
12-14-2013 , 08:08 PM
Up another BI and a half. At $197 now so will hopefully will meet my December goal of $200 and shots at 10NL with time to spare

H1) Top two pair. Crappy turn but is anyone folding this?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $5.00 (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (SB): $5.70
BB: $2.85 (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
UTG: $26.72 (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 60)
MP: $3.14 (VPIP: 34.15, PFR: 7.32, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
CO: $12.15 (VPIP: 19.51, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K Q

fold, MP calls $0.05, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15, MP calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.60, 3 players) Q 7 K
Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.45, fold

Turn: ($1.50, 2 players) J
Hero bets $1.00, BB raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $3.00, BB calls $0.20 and is all-in

River: ($5.90, 2 players) 8
12-14-2013 , 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
Call both imo.

@Crayon - Q8s is too wide UTG. You'll lose more than you win

All, thx for your thoughts re my AJo hand. Think it's a tough one as potentially on the cusp, so maybe a flat is better rather than turn it into a bluff? Meh, more research then!
I checked my db for these hands:



And i'm a slight winner in UTG + EP with these over 1200 hand sample (1200 of these hands not these hands in a 1200 sample, 65k total hand sample) ofc it's not that big of an sample.

What would you recommend i open up vs a fish instead of a hand like Q8s instead?
12-14-2013 , 08:19 PM
KTo, Qto and Q8s are all definitely losers UTG in the vast majority of situations.

Like I said, when adjusting to nit/fish open the next best hand you would usually fold.

      
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