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09-04-2009 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by binions
Leaving aside the deflation/inflation debate/definitions . . .

The world has never experienced deflation where all paper money was backed only by government promise not to print more.

Gold is the only true money. Under these circumstances, of course gold will rise in deflation.

Cash is king in deflation, and gold is the ultimate cash because its supply is constrained.
I think we have. As the credit bubble was deflating last summer/fall, gold declined from the mid 900's to the low 700's. I am hedging against a repeat performance. I agree that the purchasing power of gold would rise in deflation. I also think its nominal value (i.e., how many US dollars gold will buy) would recover after taking a hit like last fall.

I am still anticipating a USD rally, but perhaps I've overestimated the strength of its inverse correlation with gold.
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09-04-2009 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Intrepid
I think we have. As the credit bubble was deflating last summer/fall, gold declined from the mid 900's to the low 700's.
And at the same time, gold was making new all-time highs in Euros, etc.

From time to time, one country's currency will rally against others for whatever reason. When that happens, gold in that currency may suffer temporarily.

However, grand scheme - we are in a currency devaluation race to the bottom while gold rises to the top in fits and starts.
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09-04-2009 , 10:19 AM
what does your portfolio look like? (interested in all replies).

im currently
30% gold (around 12% via bullionvault.com and remainder in gold miners fund),
50% cash (mostly GBP or CHF whichever is better due to terms of loan ive given to friend)
20% mix of equity and commodity funds

im tempted to transfer some cash (when i can) into agriculture (seems relatively low at the moment), maybe 20% from cash to agriculture etf. Are these etfs safe do you think?

comments much appreciated

john ps. anyone else gutted they didnt leverage (or at least invest) a bit on silver? i am!
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09-04-2009 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by john kane
what does your portfolio look like? (interested in all replies).
Currently, a mix of:

Physical gold & silver
GDX options
Energy ETFs
AGQ (double silver ETF)

Note: these are special circumstances. Normally, I would not be so overweight commodities.

Further, if all goes according to Hoyle, I'll be taking profits within a few weeks in order to trade the October earnings/option expiration cycle.
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09-07-2009 , 09:44 AM
Article in The Daily Telegraph

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Originally Posted by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
I happened to see quite a bit of Cheng Siwei at the Ambrosetti Workshop ... Mr Cheng was until recently Vice-Chairman of the Communist Party’s Standing Committee, and is now a sort of economic ambassador for China around the world ... What he said about US monetary policy and gold – this bit on the record – would appear to validate the long-held belief of gold bugs that China has fundamentally lost confidence in the US dollar and is going to shift to a partial gold standard through reserve accumulation. ... In other words, China is buying the dips, and will continue to do so as a systematic policy.
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09-07-2009 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by inf0wars
ok listen i dont really care aabout peter schiff enough to defend him because he
really isn't a very bright investor. he still has too much faith in govt... and tries to pump ponzi schemes to make himself money. But he is a bright salesperson for sucking ppl into 2/30 payout structure. he has been right about some big macro stuff... but i agree thats impressive that he lost more than an index fund... he will prob outp[erform an index from here out, but i wouldn't bet on it since i sitll have no idea what his holdings are...
probably way oo many paper ponzi schemes for my taste...

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http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/02/news...ion=2009050213
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Anyone heard anyhing about his bank before?

www.freelakotabank.com

seems interesting but the coins are really expensive.
I thought they were expensive too. But I realized they are "proof-like" and specialty coins. It sounds like redemption for coins isn't necessarily the main point. You can "barter" your silver with anyone in the network.

I am going to be following this bank, and the liberty gold people also.
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09-07-2009 , 03:09 PM
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When you open an account at the Free Lakota Bank, there are 2 specific things we do not want: your name and your social security number. It is not our job to track the movement of our clients' money; we do not want to know who is depositing, where it comes from, or at what rate it enters or leaves our bank. We believe money is anonymous and not subject to tracking.

If you derive your income from preying on the weakness of others, shame on you. Your time on this planet will be short and the great spirit will reward you in kind. If you choose to deposit with the Free Lakota Bank, we will use your money to benefit those with a strong sense of morals and value.
Oh man, I'm getting excited.

Liberty gold wanted your name and address. I guess it's because they gave a mastercard and worked with a "legit" bank.
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09-07-2009 , 03:12 PM
ETA till IRS scepter of doom?
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09-07-2009 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Brons
ETA till IRS scepter of doom?
Yeah, there's always that.

I don't understand how the IRS has juristiction over warehouses, but I imagine that's what a government court will find.
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09-08-2009 , 08:16 AM
Gold surges past the $1000 mark...spot is at $1003 atm.
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09-08-2009 , 02:39 PM
binions you must be shipping it in!

is there any other long terms investments that should hold their value with potential high inflation and possible currency collapse?

agriculture etf? real estate fund?

just dont want to put more into gold and silver right now, hoping for some sort of pullback to buy more.
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09-08-2009 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AlbertoKnox
Yeah, there's always that.

I don't understand how the IRS has juristiction over warehouses, but I imagine that's what a government court will find.
And that's all assuming this isn't a scam. Not that I wouldn't love for this to be legit. But chances its not a scam and doesn't get shut down is pretty low IMO. Especially using the word "bank".
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09-11-2009 , 09:40 AM
Gold over $1010 at the moment.
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09-11-2009 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigdaddydvo
Gold over $1010 at the moment.
Gunning for an all-time daily and weekly close record.
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09-12-2009 , 07:43 AM
if i had some gold i wouldnt sell it for under 10K ounce
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09-12-2009 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by goldenchild123
if i had some gold i wouldnt sell it for under 10K ounce
Really? What would you buy it for?
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09-12-2009 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by goldenchild123
if i had some gold i wouldnt sell it for under 10K ounce
and that's why you're broke.
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09-14-2009 , 08:03 AM
Gold vs papermoney http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/ed...2008/0917.html and http://libertysilver.se/pages.php/pa...ey/language/en

Is someone higher up even paying attention
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09-14-2009 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by goldenchild123
if i had some gold i wouldnt sell it for under 10K ounce
Why not sell for 9k an ounce, then buy 9 MORE OUNCES with the money???
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09-14-2009 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Why not sell for 9k an ounce, then buy 9 MORE OUNCES with the money???
Because of what ArturiusX said.
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09-16-2009 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PolvoPelusa
right ok.

re: war
I should have said...a non fiat currency would prevent HUGE wars and keep the US from continuing to police the world.

re: welfare
Apparently we disagree on welfare.

I believe...

I'm not huge into shining metal.....BUT

I agree 100% with abolishing welfare. I have a lot of section 8 tenants and they're lazy as SHIIIIITTTTTT!!!!
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09-16-2009 , 02:56 AM
On the topic of "peter schiff"

I'm like 75% sure he said in one of his youtube videos that he doesn't currently run a fund but is trying to start one up hopefully by 2010.


edited to add: it'll be a classic active mutual fund (not 2/20) and he's waiting on approval/investors right now
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09-16-2009 , 03:25 AM
Gold's at $1018 right now, yo.
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09-17-2009 , 05:24 PM
Here's why to buy gold.
http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/BIGGESTSCAMINHISTORY.HTML

Doesn't necessarily have to be gold, could be land too. Just GET SOMETHING BESIDES PAPER!

I have a feeling the dollar is going to end up like Lehman Bros. Everyone senses something is wrong and things start to drift down then one day it just blows out and is worthless. After all.. that's exactly what it is.. worthless.

I've been accumulating gold/silver since I started to understand what's going on at the $13.50/$850 levels. I'm now actually in the process of buying 50-100 acres out in Colorado just for the hell of it (well and a place to hang in the rockies come 2012) instead of hanging on to cash/ buying more pm's. Anyone who would just hold large amounts of cash is crazy.
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09-17-2009 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wickedgoodtrader
Here's why to buy gold.
Anyone who would just hold large amounts of cash is crazy.
Yes and no. There's a war going on right now. There are huge deflationary forces being met with worldwide inflationary stimulus. There will be times when having cash to buy assets super cheap will come in handy. At other times, you'll want to be in precious metals.

BTW it's clear to me that in the end, the inflationary forces will ultimately prevail. But that may not be until ~2020.
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