Good reason for not having it is it probably has bugs and randomly causes all other tables to sit out when trying to leave one and people trying to describe the problem here and party rep wanting them to send irrelevant log files and account names while nothing happens and people just learn to live and tilt with it.

We, at party poker, believe that legal matter is the only concern. It doesnt matter if we rob as long as its legal. We can rig the games as long as its legal we dont care, we can confiscate funds and keep them since it's legal why give it back to victims ?

If rape, slavery or murder were legal, we, party poker, would be 100% for it. We have not an ounce of moral or humanity, as long as its legal and in our interest, it's a gogogo

So please keep raking it up, since we said sorry

A message from Party Poker


''The 3% fee is considered legal, well, why wasnt it implemented 10 years ago ? WTF ?''
- a party poker employee

This

We will be hearing a whole lot about people having 5 of their in play hands folded mid hand, while 15 of their remaining tables are auto sat out.

If a flawless "sit out next BB", "sit out all next BB" function could be implemented, that would be great, but let's consider who would be adding it to an already incredibly buggy software ....

Well first, it should obviously be "sit out next bb, sit out all".

Another problematic area is when a table goes too short handed and I'm not willing to continue. Clicking sit-out there would sit out all tables. Yes, I could try exiting right after a hand ends, but that's a bit problematic in terms of recording hand histories, especially when multitabling.

An option would be to allow a separate sitout button for each table, with a 2 minute (or something you come up with) time before being kicked out, to organize your tables. Then the "Sit out all next BB" would grant one a 10 minute (or what ever you now use) break.

This from 2 minutes of thinking, I'm sure you come up with a scheme that works. Just DON'T make it a simple sit-out-all-right-now button.

Let's have 2 options:

- 'Sit out next bb (all)' <- selfexplanatory
- 'Sit out next bb and leave (one)' <- sits out only one table, but you're kicked off once HH is saved

You forgot about your freerolling case, which has been the main point all the time. When a rogue account actually wins, you gain money. When it loses, you lose nothing.

I'd think people were fine if
a) you took the losses from a fraud but kept the winnings (you're better rolled for this than the average player)
or b) you take the money from someone who won from a rogue account BUT return any excess winnings (after picking up the bill for the credit card) to the players the cheater was playing against.

Now you do a very scetchy combination of a) and b), which leaves you with, yes, a freeroll. You can't lose but can win when someone cheats. You benefit from cheaters. That's not a very nice position when people wonder how much you actually do fight against the frauds, be it cc, collusion or something else.

At least that's how it seems, and that's why I've been asking this question here since early months of 2013: why do you freeroll on honest players' monies?

you no say sir

[QUOTE] As for having "no promotions whatsoever", today is probably the busiest day of the last 6 months on partypoker.com. I count 6x events with more than 1K players, and more cash game tables & SNGs running than I have seen in a while. We even made the guarantee on the $5K PLO8 - for the first time![QUOTE]

That's Great .... All while running zero promotions lol
... And no, microfest bingo doesn't count as a promotion for anyone with a bankroll in excess of $50 .

[QUOTE]I have previously acknowledged that we have been terrible at communications for some time. Were we within our rights to make changes to our VIP program & withdrawal fees with no notice to players? Yes. Should we have done it that way? No. Definitely not. Will we substantially improve our communications in the future? Yes.[QUOTE]


The only way you make this remotely ok is to reverse the current changes made, and then give all players enough time to make an informed decision with regards to the changes you made.

A cable company informs it's customers of upcoming changes to service charges.
The same goes for a mobile phone or internet provider, at the very worst in some fine print ....

A BANK will definitely notify its clients well in advance of upcoming changes to services and/or fees


Anything less would be at the very least unethical


Saying you're sorry is NOT good enough

You must, at the very least, temporarily reverse the changes you made without warning, and give all players adequate time to adjust and react accordingly

Then do as you please

Then the customer will have a choice to continue playing at Party, or take their action elsewhere ......

This is exactly what they'd do, and it would cause havoc lol

Your list is interesting.

(1) If you control which players interact with each other, but fail to notify any of these players, then the game is rigged. You're controlling which players interact based on their skill levels while simultaneously advertising a fair, honest, unbiased system for connecting fellow poker players. The smaller the skill difference between players on the same table, the less money made by the more skilled players and therefore the more profit made by Party/Bwin from rake revenue.

It's really that simple, but of course you know this. It's cheating, it's dishonest, it's rigging at it's finest.

Just to be clear. If Party/Bwin had notified players in any way, we'd have a completely different scenario. Each player knows he's being separated from the Party/Bwin client base according to his skill "ranking." God only knows how he's ranked, but the player knows he's being ranked in some way and that's the important point. Now, if suddenly this player notices the games have "dried up" and he's not making any money anymore he has a very good lead on the possible reason!

Instead, what really happened? Anybody curious just scroll back to around March of this year in this thread. People were going crazy speculating why the games had apparently dried up almost overnight. I was one of those people. But nobody knew for sure what was happening so most of us just kept struggling, while Party/Bwin kept raking (but at a substantially increased rate now!). It wasn't until weeks later when the players posted the results of their investigations that Party/Bwin was forced to grudgingly admit what was really going on. Anybody wondering what I mean by "grudgingly" just read the posts around this time. Party reps literally called it a "test" and then gave everybody in the poker community the same 1 paragraph copy paste explanation for months after.

Key point here is Party/Bwin was trying to dupe us. To this day we'd have had no announcement or notification if we hadn't looked into the suspicious changes in our games ourselves.

(2) Jersey is the first time you've been properly regulated. Everybody knows what these other regulators are worth.

(3) You already know this and have to play dumb but I'll play. You can rig a game two ways. (1) Artificially control how the cards fall to increase action and lesson a skilled players edge(2) Artificially control how your client base interacts with each other (mixes) in order to increase action and lesson a skilled players edge without notifying the clients they are being subjected to this "test."

(4) "The segregation has been lifted, and we are not testing anything at this time. We're still talking about the best way to implement something that will have the desired effect, and we'll openly communicate when we're ready to trial or implement it."

This actually gave me a chuckle. The audacity you have to even type this.

(A) The segregation was forced out of your hands. You had no choice but to lift it after it backfired on you. An event predicted publicly from the day this scandal was outed by many players in this very forum.

(B) The last part is really just rich. "we'll openly communicate when we're ready to trial or implement it." By saying this you're finally at least admitting that communicating about something like this is critical and essential to maintain an honest poker site.

So....why did you not communicate the first time? Please actually answer this question. It's a serious one and it's important that players deserve to have answered.

Now, I wasn't personally involved in the money confiscation scandal, but I was following this thread. I know we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars taken from individual honest players. You say "to minimize the harm that this fraudulent activity causes to our players and our own business." Don't you just mean "your business" and your players be damned right?

This is what players pay rake for. Party/Bwin was supposed to be providing a service. A part of that service is security against fraud of this type. If your company didn't take sufficient measures to protect against charge backs that's greed (you don't want to slow down incoming deposits) and/or incompetence. Most likely both.
Once again though, rather than just admit a mistake with honesty and integrity (essential qualities of any company) you made your honest players take the bill in it's entirety. Then in standard Party/Bwin style you have the nerve to insult our intelligence and try to sell us on it being in the players interests, not just your stock holders interests.

That's all for now.

And oh ..... This

Ya .... Wow

So well put

This this this this

+1 for the chat bubble!...888 you can throw things at players...which is super fun! and i have been playing poker as a reg forever and i still get a huge kick out of this feature 888 has..blasting eggs or an apple after winning or losing a hand is just gags lol

+1 on the rigging...winrates go down because we are forced to play a smaller player pool with stronger opponents...but lets move on from that as its old news....

+1 on the vip program... FIX it...**** even make the products a better point price or make the cash bonus' a cash bonus or just make the rake to receive them less! I used to get the 3k bonus for 20k took a while to earn it but once i did i felt worthwhile for playing on party poker even if i was losing whilst i earnt it. Playing party is def less fun today than it was 1.5 yrs ago...!!! Due to no promotions like gladiator(of which i never got anything lol, and world domination) and also worse % back in the party store for products or cashback bonus' that now feel impossible to get.

Peace

PS If some moron steals a credit card and plays me on any table any limit and i WIN vs them...and you take away my winnings...I will sue you! Not even kididng, This is illegal(spoke to my lawyer friend about it) It is the business(party Poker) who is responsible for for the protection of fraud, and then it is up to the banks who also provide insurance protection against fraud aswell.

PS. 33 here in Melbourne Australia...I'm off to the pool

Hi Jeffrey,

The sit out one sit out all would need to be two buttons. One button being "sitout all tables next bb" the other being "leave at next bb." There is no legitamate reason a player would sitout at one table while playing at others, there are reasons they would want to leave a table while continuing at others though. As was said, anyone against this sort of action is most likely the cause for needing it.

Secondly, my 3rd point I deleted as I felt it wasnt properly elaborated on and took away from the other points. It was in regards to chat actually, and making chat more fun and animated which would make things fun for rec players. That said I removed it because I didn't feel it was proactive to suggest new complex software integrations while the software was still struggling, however I do feel its good for the atmosphere and it's nice to see wodka also suggest along those lines.

Lastly, if you want to discuss more poker related details feel free to pm me for contact details. It might come of benefit.

And thank you for responding quickly and most importantly personally.

Party Poker should just switch to a Rakeback model, in my opinion. Give recreational players, who don't put in volume, the ability to be rewarded on a weekly basis rather than once every year or something. Keeps them more interested, keeps them playing. If you set it up so that the highest of volume players got something like 40% rakeback, while a lesser volume player got 25% (based on VIP level), I could imagine a lot more people moving to Party Poker and grinding there, plus a lot more recreational players playing there since they're awarded so much more frequently than somewhere like PokerStars.

Of course, Full Tilt Poker had a lot more players due to American's been allowed to play back in the Rakeback days, but it was a lot more of a favourable choice of room for those who only played a small amount of hands per week. To put it into perspective, I released a single bonus at PokerStars back in 2009 when I was playing at the microstakes there, while I was consistently given about a buy in in rakeback at Full Tilt Poker. This is why Rakeback is better than a loyalty/reward program, in my opinion.

Sit out one, sit out all is nothing but a good idea.
But, it needs to be done in a way to allow for people to finish their orbit. "Sit out next BB" should mean "Sit out next BB all tables", for instance, rather than having someone sit out at all their other tables after just posting the big blind.

Poker tatsu ni, talking about lags - we can send info you`re asking for and I myself as well as many other regs did it, but..... honestly I doubt it will help.

Lags are constant. You can play 1 table maximum only (w/o turning your session in a complete nightmare) and you feel like its some kind of a turn-based strategy game. 3rd party software can`t affect it bc other poker rooms are performing perfectly. (with no lags at all)

Today i loaded party and it completely ate up my cpu and made my whole computer lag out.

I closed party (via end process in task manager) - restarted party and it worked fie.

I had the exact same programs running and didn't do anything else other than shut down party and restart it. inconsistent performance like that is ridiculous.


on a side note I played the 5r big add on pokerfest today and the structure is rubbish. the tournament was completely ruined. we were getting max two hands per blind level. with it being 10 handed so many people were stalling that very little happened. everyone would timebank stall on the payjumps, then because blinds go up like 3 times per orbit a bunch of people would bust 2-3 bb stacks straight away meaning people were stallin for the next payjump.

I was playing about 16 tables across a few sites, and even i got fed up of it. Imagine a rec playing one table having to wait so long between hands? and their stack being reduced to 1/3 (in bbs) every orbit.

I'm not sure how you can fix it exactly, make the levels longer itm perhaps. reduce the amount of time people can take to act, shallower jumps, larger intervals between pay jumps (every 20 people instead of every ten, perhaps) are just a few suggestions

but it doesn't play like a turbo. it plays like a hyperturbo.

I actually like the idea of the tournament, but it needs tweaking.

He was talking about players who collude or otherwise cheat, not about people who deposit fraudelent funds. I've been the only person who suggested you should pay back "innocent victims" when you catch credit card fraudsters and I did that by confusing myself the actual problem with something that was just posted on 2+2 when I was making the list of problems.

I don't think anyone is asking you to pay back if someone loses to accounts that originally deposited with fraudelent money.

But I am sure everyone is asking that you pay back the victims, instead of pocketing the money, when someone colludes/cheats against them and you catch them

To anyone with lag problems. I don't think any of this is on the server side of party.

Like ste_mc_efc posted, rebooting the client (and/or your computer) fixes the problem, at least for a moment.

They've always been there and some systems are more vulnerable than others. The "new" client just made the lag much worse with the lobby hoarding too much resources (I think).

I'm not a programmer or anything but I don't think posting any dates or times will help them with the problem. I'd be happy to be proven wrong if it gets the problem fixed, though.

My Windows 7 crushed to a "blue screen" 2 times yesterday when I played at Party. Is it the issue related to party or my system? Do anyone experiance the same?

Isn't the unreasonable amount of CPU use it needs the fault of partypoker?

I mean it seems pretty ridiculous to expect the average grinder or recreational guy for that matter to have a computer that can handle a 'resource hoarding' client

the thing is that (for me, at least) it doesn't always eat up chunks of cpu. it's usually way less than HM2 (more than ftp +stars, about the same/little less than ipoker) it probably uses a little too much, but it's not unreasonable.

but often after a couple of hours, or sometimes on randomly starting the client it does. it's not consistent.

Yeah, you're forgetting about 1-tabling recreational players who just want to sit-out next hand and not wait for the bb. So "sit out at all tables" instead of simple "sit-out" is necessary.

Yeah, i've looked at taskmanager and the resource managers also. It doesn't seem to eat too much resources but somehow the client still starts to lag a lot sometimes

Maybe it's somehow related to the message that I've been getting while trying to close the client? It says out of memory if you click the send error report (I get the box asking if I want to send the error report now every time I try to close the client).

Maybe the client thinks there is no memory left even when there is and can't handle it?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=13426

where have you personally moved to? what site would you recommen? is 888 a good choice for a reg?

Could be a threading issue.. maybe each table runs in its own thread (which is good), but they each have to queue to get a lock on some singleton resource so while one table is accessing it the rest are waiting to get the lock. HM2 is probably the same, it feels like it's running all its operations in the gui thread, multithreaded programming is apparently very hard to get right.