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11-10-2011 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by llllzzzz
Heiz made a really big bet on the river, and Antonio Esfandari said:" I think Heiz is very weak. I don't think he wants a call here." Staszko then called, and Heiz showed his set of As.
After Heiz bet the flop (9 2 3) and then checked the turn, and Antonio Esfandari immediately said:" I think Heiz is weak. 100% he cannot beat a pair of 9s." The camera then showed Heiz had 9 10.
Heiz raised pre, and bet flop and turn. Staszko raised Heiz's 8.4m turn bet to 18.4m. The board was A 9 2 A. Heiz tanked and then called. Antonio Esfandari said:" Heiz called the raise, so I am sure he has an ace now, and I don't like staszko's move here." I almost shouted out:" shut up! Antonio." There was no way for Heiz to just call the raise with his trip ace. Camera showed Heiz had 5 6, and Staszko had A 9.
AND there were lots, lots of those kind of examples. I don't understand why they kept bringing him to do the analysis. He is wrong every time, but he is so narcissistic. I think even phil hellmuth is much better than him. Phil hellmuth is a really good tournament poke player, but antonio is just an average poker player. His level is way below tom dwan on cash game and below hellmuth on tournament.
My boyfriend and I (recreational players) really enjoyed watching this tourny. With the hole card delay, we could discuss on each hand what we thought the players had and what they should do, but the announcers (Esfandari and Chad) added nothing to the process except a huge annoyance factor. It was actually enjoyable when Hellmuth visited the booth on Sunday and gave some pretty decent insight and analysis, which just made these guys look even worse. We were praying that they'd bring him back in on Tuesday.

For probably the first half of Tuesday's coverage it seemed the only hand possibilities the announcers could come up with were an ace, high card, or a single pair, each announced with resounding confidence and authority. The " he has an ace" theme was repeated for innumerable hands in a row, in spite of the fact that neither player had anything even close. Two pair, flush, straight, and boat possibilities were largely overlooked. It was really sad (and funny) later in the evening, when having missed so many calls they just started naming every possibile hand they could think of, but even then they often missed the ones that seemed most obvious to us which more often than not turned out to be close or correct.

It's really a sad state of affairs when players at our level (rec micro stakes) feel like we have a significantly better understanding of the game than the announcers for an international broadcasting company, hired to give expert commentary at the equivelent of the Superbowl of poker. We didn't even need a little kid to tell us that these 'Emperors' truely 'had no clothes'.
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11-10-2011 , 11:22 PM
heinz won but he was also the best player IMO, was rooting for him to win from the early beginning
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11-10-2011 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Klingbard
I agree with Negreanu (from his tweets tonight) that both Stazsko and Heinz gave off plenty of tells that more experienced live players may have exploited. The quality of play in general was pretty good, but far from flawless.
does anyone still take DN serious? he seems to criticize others a lot, maybe he should focus on himself instead some more
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11-10-2011 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerAnnie32
My boyfriend and I (recreational players) really enjoyed watching this tourny. With the hole card delay, we could discuss on each hand what we thought the players had and what they should do, but the announcers (Esfandari and Chad) added nothing to the process except a huge annoyance factor. It was actually enjoyable when Hellmuth visited the booth on Sunday and gave some pretty decent insight and analysis, which just made these guys look even worse. We were praying that they'd bring him back in on Tuesday.

For probably the first half of Tuesday's coverage it seemed the only hand possibilities the announcers could come up with were an ace, high card, or a single pair, each announced with resounding confidence and authority. The " he has an ace" theme was repeated for innumerable hands in a row, in spite of the fact that neither player had anything even close. Two pair, flush, straight, and boat possibilities were largely overlooked. It was really sad (and funny) later in the evening, when having missed so many calls they just started naming every possibile hand they could think of, but even then they often missed the ones that seemed most obvious to us which more often than not turned out to be close or correct.

It's really a sad state of affairs when players at our level (rec micro stakes) feel like we have a significantly better understanding of the game than the announcers for an international broadcasting company, hired to give expert commentary at the equivelent of the Superbowl of poker. We didn't even need a little kid to tell us that these 'Emperors' truely 'had no clothes'.
“It was really sad (and funny) later in the evening, when having missed so many calls they just started naming every possible hand they could think of, but even then they often missed the ones that seemed most obvious to us which more often than not turned out to be close or correct.”___ That WAS very sad and funny. There were many times Antonio just named almost every possible hand, and then he still missed. So sad.
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11-12-2011 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by vandy
how is a guy coming into the final table 5th~ and finishing 3rd a huge collapse? if this is considered a collapse then what was cheongs just last year? both of which i dont think are collapses at all... just standard high level poker being played.
re-watch it if you forgot, cheong's play was uber melt-down. He played extremely well and at same time made some gigantic mistakes.

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Originally Posted by theginger45
LOL at people saying Lamb's ship with KJo was so bad.

1. These people have no idea of table dynamics etc
2. 4bet shipping KJo can be so unbelievably standard in some spots...nits gonna nit
50 BBs
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11-12-2011 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Toupee Jay
I thought it was the strongest line up at any final table ever. Only one semi-weak player, who could be tricky at times. You know who that was, he went out second
Are you saying Bob Bounahra was a good player??? Who are you talking about. Stazko was 2nd, Makievskyi went out 2nd.

Last edited by JoeDiego; 11-12-2011 at 05:30 AM. Reason: Just seen another post you made clarifying you meant Bounahra. He wasn't 'semi weak' he was 'astonishingly bad'.
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11-16-2011 , 09:06 AM
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I disagree completely... there were so many miss opportunities and folds simply based on last longer/ICM.I want my 4 hours of TV back from last night.

the only thing that was interesting was Ben's play, arguments for that play can be made from both perspectives... as can the call by Staszko.

the only thing I thought was interesting was the fact that the win was based on an Ace high... lulz. so much suckage.
Did I get something wrong? Thought, there is no ICM heads-up?! And to last longer in a HU is always the maingoal, isn't it? So which hands you mean then specificly?
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11-17-2011 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Lucky LITE



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11-17-2011 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MidWestSide
Hand #228: Big Pot for Staszko
Posted 1 day 18 hours ago by donpeters
Martin Saszko and Pius Heinz heads up
Martin Saszko and Pius Heinz heads up

The button was with Pius Heinz. He raised to 3.4 million and Martin Staszko made the call.

The flop was {A-Diamonds}{9-Spades}{3-Diamonds} and Staszko checked. Heinz bet 3.8 million. Staszko called to see the turn.

On the turn, the dealer paired the board with the {A-Spades}. Staszko checked and Heinz fired 8.4 million. Staszko took his time and then fired back with a raise to 18.5 million. Heinz took his own time, reached for chips and then slid in a call. Heinz's hands were noticeably shaking when he reached for chips and made the call.

The river was the {6-Diamonds} and completed a possible flush draw in diamonds. Staszko paused after the river card hit and then bet 20.25 million. Heinz didn't take long at all to muck his hand and Staszko climbed to 141.3 million. Heinz dropped way back to 64.6 million.

Tags: Pius Heinz, Martin Staszko.


Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...ost.198462.htm



Am I the only that thinks if Staszko checks the river Heinz shoves bluffs and the tournament is over here

Heinz had 76 and Staszko had A9
Yes, agree, although Heinz may bet smaller than allin. Heinz was definitely bluffing the river. However, it is pretty usual to float call a turn raise. Think checking the river might be better, as it could induce a bluff or value bet.
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