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11-09-2011 , 11:47 AM
Very very decent play for the HU of a huge poker tournament. I'd even say it was the best I've seen. Both played good, both made some mistakes, both deserved the win.

Of course people are going to complain and say what they think everybody did horribly wrong, but hey, its NVG, its full of flaming ******s!
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11-09-2011 , 11:57 AM
Lol at the NVGtards moaning about Lamb.

Stupid ****ing playchip grinders I guess.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 11-09-2011 at 12:09 PM. Reason: circumventing the profanity filter
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11-09-2011 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by theginger45
LOL at people saying Lamb's ship with KJo was so bad.

1. These people have no idea of table dynamics etc
2. 4bet shipping KJo can be so unbelievably standard in some spots...nits gonna nit
Nothing wrong with shove. I'm more interested in everyone's option on whether the call with 77 was correct in that spot.

I guess if he watched the replay, he knew that Lamb could be shoving a wide range. I don't remember the bet sizing or stack sizes at the point of the shove/call, but it couldn't have been a snap call.

And to answer the OP... best FT that I've seen in quite a while. Maybe the best since before Moneymaker won.
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11-09-2011 , 12:09 PM
I thought everyone at the FT played relatively well, although Heinz and Staszko really stood out as the superior players (not just because they went HU).

The HU match was very good in my generally inexperienced at HU opinion, and I actually went to bed thinking Staszko was going to take it down. Very strong turnaround by Heinz to not lose focus and to rebound FTW.
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11-09-2011 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeCapo
Ben Lamb.. What the ****. One of the ME's all time great collapses, if not THE all time greatest.
lol not at all

he was 2nd in chips, lost a flip, then went all in on a very standard spot and also lost.

WHAT A COLLAPSE
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11-09-2011 , 12:16 PM
was entertaining to watch it on live stream. heinz a deserved winner. congrats!
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11-09-2011 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneyBoye
By the way, the hoodie of Heinz is called "Green Zaggy" by Hugo Boss. You can buy it here for example:

http://www.julesb.co.uk/menswear-1/m...y-685632.htm??

Already got mine
£135 for a hoodie
I bought an entire suit for £92.
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11-09-2011 , 12:29 PM
I didn't watch the entire HU match, but the only mistake I saw staszko make was that raise with Qh6h where he folded to a jam.

Seemed really bad to stick 10M in with a ton of equity on that flop and fold for such a relatively small jam.

Other than that it seemed Pius was constantly putting himself in bad spots by just refusing to give up. There are tons of spots where its completely obvious 85%+ of his range is bluffs.
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11-09-2011 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MoneyBoye
By the way, the hoodie of Heinz is called "Green Zaggy" by Hugo Boss. You can buy it here for example:

http://www.julesb.co.uk/menswear-1/m...y-685632.htm??

Already got mine
ShizzZZzzz....ur gonna be the main event champ next year
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11-09-2011 , 12:42 PM
I thought that Stazco played really really well, I think Heinz played really well, I think Lamb did not play well.

I don't like Ben's shove with KJ there for a couple reasons:
-Its a spot where most better hands call and all worse hands fold. Maybe Ben folds out a A10, AJ maybe and KQ, and most small pairs but Stazco obv callng with 77 and would therefore call with AK, AQ, maybe AJs and some other hands as well most likely.
-I just don't think he had the fold equity he thought due to the fact that is was the first hand of the 3 handed FT. Stazco's 3 bet was pretty large iirc.
-I just think he could have found a better spot and put all his FT equity into a flip at the very best... not really outplaying anyone, just hoping Stazco doesn't have it 1st hand or that he's flipping. The other consideration is that Stazco was in 3rd chip position with 3 players left...
-Ben's move with KJ is a way more understandable if there were 4 or 5 people left in the field but Staz had nothing to lose there at all.. He was the short stack, he was the next one out, there is no ladder consideration fold equity for him whatsoever...
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11-09-2011 , 12:54 PM
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Antonio Esfandari's analysis was wrong on almost every hand and every street. I can't stand him.
you're dead wrong...he was right most of the time. Of course, when you name about 30 possible hands the guy could have, you're bound to be right a lot.

Antonio: " he could have 56 sooted, he could have A8, he could have total air..."

no kidding.
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11-09-2011 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeySlayer81
Congrats to Pius, not bad for coming in to the FT 7th in chips. When he won the QQ hand against Eoghan deep down I knew he was going to take it down. The better player won.
nostradamus itt
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11-09-2011 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeCapo
This is what happens when you're all-in with KJo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprGnEjm2oE
Hahaha exactly! He had alot of haaart tho :P
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11-09-2011 , 01:14 PM
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I didn't watch the entire HU match, but the only mistake I saw staszko make was that raise with Qh6h where he folded to a jam.

Seemed really bad to stick 10M in with a ton of equity on that flop and fold for such a relatively small jam.

Other than that it seemed Pius was constantly putting himself in bad spots by just refusing to give up. There are tons of spots where its completely obvious 85%+ of his range is bluffs.
that's a tough spot imo.
so often heinz has nothing there and is folding to the raise. that's what staszko wanted.

i think the raise size was bad though. raise more to make it less likely heinz will shove because you will obv call, or just flat.
by raising that small, it makes heinz feel he has enough chips to get stazsko to fold any draw or better 5.
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11-09-2011 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
I thought everyone at the FT played relatively well, although Heinz and Staszko really stood out as the superior players (not just because they went HU).

The HU match was very good in my generally inexperienced at HU opinion, and I actually went to bed thinking Staszko was going to take it down. Very strong turnaround by Heinz to not lose focus and to rebound FTW.
I think youve summed it up very well sarg.
Thought it was an excellent HU contest, well worth watching again for noobs like me.
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11-09-2011 , 01:32 PM
awesome ft and hu.. obv disappointed Staszko couldnt close the deal but i am happy with heinz winning as well.. lets hope for something similar next year
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11-09-2011 , 01:33 PM
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The HU match was very good in my generally inexperienced at HU opinion, and I actually went to bed thinking Staszko was going to take it down. Very strong turnaround by Heinz to not lose focus and to rebound FTW.
I disagree completely... there were so many miss opportunities and folds simply based on last longer/ICM.I want my 4 hours of TV back from last night.

the only thing that was interesting was Ben's play, arguments for that play can be made from both perspectives... as can the call by Staszko.

the only thing I thought was interesting was the fact that the win was based on an Ace high... lulz. so much suckage.
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11-09-2011 , 01:40 PM
Well, I did point out that I don't have much experience HU, but if you can't appreciate Staszko five bet jamming pre with A2, the other preflop aggression showdowns, and some of the stellar folds made by both of them at various times, IDK what to tell you.

Sure they could have played a couple of hands differently and made some errors, but it's easy to criticize when we're all just sitting at home and not actually under the stress of trying to win 8.7 million dollars.
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11-09-2011 , 01:42 PM
Staszcos call was better than Lamb's shove there imo. Still up in the air on the shove, but I don't know all aspects of the metagame involved and Lamb is easily a better player than me, so I'll lean towards an OK shove.
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11-09-2011 , 01:44 PM
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2. Best hands were ... 98 check raise all in on river.
That was certainly one of the more interesting hands, but I thought that shove was awful. Heinz was clearly bluffing there (to fold out a straight?), when there was no way in the world Staszko was folding a jack because Heinz' line was so strange. Heck, he tanked for a while with 4th pair (though that could have just been posturing.)
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11-09-2011 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kingpin_co
Hahaha exactly! He had alot of haaart tho :P
would have been funny when Ban tabled his kj off on the table if Tony G would come jumping from the crowd and bash mister Lamb about his kj play that would be a great tv!!
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11-09-2011 , 01:48 PM
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I disagree completely... there were so many miss opportunities and folds simply based on last longer/ICM.
What does this mean? ICM isn't even applicable to heads up play.
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11-09-2011 , 01:50 PM
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That was certainly one of the more interesting hands, but I thought that shove was awful. Heinz was clearly bluffing there (to fold out a straight?), when there was no way in the world Staszko was folding a jack because Heinz' line was so strange. Heck, he tanked for a while with 4th pair (though that could have just been posturing.)
I was not going deep into the play i just meant the 2 most interesting hand for TV viewers to watch. Those without a doubt were the 98 check raise on river and kq all in bluff on turn. I like most of us nvg micro donks have no skills to say if those are good playes or not
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11-09-2011 , 01:52 PM
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I was not going deep into the play i just meant the 2 most interesting hand for TV viewers to watch. Those without a doubt were the 98 check raise on river and kq all in bluff on turn. I like most of us nvg micro donks have no skills to say if those are good playes or not
I completely agree that hand was great TV.
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11-09-2011 , 01:53 PM
Heinz, Stash, Lamb and O Dea all played amazing poker. Best I've seen at a FT so far. Other guys were just meh.
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