IIRC my local casino does some 10 euro rebuy tournaments and there is a bunch of guys who usually spend a hundred or more on them. Someone should go tell them they're killing poker.

lol......DN tweets.....

"Crushed day 1 of #WPTBellagio 224,600 among the leaders"

lol at "crushed"

more like "purchased"

The most likely $10,000 event a recreational player buys into is the WSOP Main Event.

582 entries for a $10K in December is amazing.

Poker should be more a fair comethian imo

...........because it has awesome structure, and prohibits Unlimited ReEntry. It's a level playing field for all.

In other words......they have a fair shot.

Just like zillions of other freeze out tournaments that are less popular. If you go around asking people at the ME why they are playing in it, no one is going to say "because there are no re entries." Cmon now.

It's a level playing field already. Everyone is free to put up their money according to the rules of the tournament and play their stack in the way that they choose.

Someone buying in 10 times has a better chance of winning the tournament than someone buying in once, but he is also investing 10 times the money. Chance of winning the tournament makes no difference - what matters is EV. The only thing that affects your EV is the game playing decisions you make. If the guy buying in ten times has better EV it's because he a better player.

i limped the buton, daniel shoved dark (again) from the SB and galen then called off in the BB and i folded.

WTF is this thread someone is going to play aggresively and spew hard to ensure making a run if everyone i ever play with in every MTT does this that is ok with me.

If you think he is getting some crazy advantage then, shock Do it yourself and print money

But about 4 times out of 5 the rec player is going to be saying going wow i just doubled up in this massive tournament i love DN

Exactly. This is dumber than martingaling. Just re-buy and re-buy for the same amount as blinds continue to go up thus reducing the amount of bbs you are re-buying for and hope to hit a big hot streak? Why would anyone have a problem with another player doing this? Sure it increases the absolute chance that the re-buyer will win the tournament, but it is massively -ev for them and plus ev for everyone else. Only reason to do it is if you are going for the bracelet/trophy and don't care about the money.

Today on Twitter I saw him moaning that the Bellagio isn't paying 10% of the field for their 10k event. (They are about 4 spots away from paying 10%). He really does need his own containment thread. Dude just never stops complaining.

Chainsaw makes the case that lower buy-in unlimited re-entry is OK because people with less money can rack up re-entries. Isn't it all relative if the $80 is as meaningless to the average joe-blow as the $10k is to Negreanu in order to build a stack?

Sorry you're butthurt you can't fire 10 bullets at a $1M+ first place Allen.

You guys are missing whats actually going on...

When Allen says something is bad for poker he really means bad for himself

Clearly unlimited or limited re-entry is fine in smaller buyins where the competition level is lower because he can still have a positive expectation but there comes a price point where Allen can not beat an unlimited re-entry field.

That is where his problem is.

There are three major mid end tours.

Wsop allows 1 reentry.

Mspt allows 1 reentry per flight.

Hpt allows unlimited reentry for 6 40 minute levels (4 hours) but has 3-4 start days and very deep structure. Also several ways to requalify throughout the week inexpensively

Im fine with all of these

Well then just stop playing in the tournaments that your not fine with. Problem solved.

So the reason you like the hpt and don't like this tourney is because u can afford to fire multiple bullets in the hpt and u can't here?

This is how I look at it. Doesn't matter if its $80 or $10000. Play to win.

I've had tons of live players, including some winning players, tell me that reloading infinite times and shoving blind is the optimal way to play these rebuy tourneys. I feel like I'm crazy for not getting it, because in my head I think of each rebuy as the same thing as buying into a separate independent event where the fact that you bought in 10x has no effect on your next buyin. Am I wrong?

It's like this, let's say you want to quickly ramp up to a 3x starting stack, or even more, by winning three or more all-in flips in a row. If you were to flip a coin until you got 3 Heads in a row, it might take several iterations. Think of those iterations as tourney buyins. DNegs, and others, are simply re-entering until they win ~3 all-in flips in a row and acquire a large stack to work with.

And I think it IS +EV (in terms of expected tourney finish result) to have that larger stack relative to the rest of the field's average stack. Of course, what it costs to get that stack is another story.

they probabaly want you to inflate the prizepool for them

I can only see one small "advantage" a great player might get from this and it is IF they are like on a table which isnt going to break anytime soon, like table 1-10 out of 30+. Lets say he is on table 1 and he keeps shoving ai blind and inflating the amount of chips on the table, a great player might be able to recover some of the lost EV due to being very deep against bad players(I cannot for the life of me not make it +EV though). However, this is not from experience or anything I do not take Daniel as a "wow great megadeep player" as he often comes late to events to play with short stacks and big blinds.

Would suck epic proportions if he kept shoving 10 buyins of chips into a table and then it broke and he was left with 250bb on a 60bb average table instead of the other one he was at which had 150bb avg thanks you his spew.

His advantage is he gets to keep his deal with stars if he keeps making televised final tables and stays toward the top of the money list

Can someone explain to me why it's bad for the game when someone spends 50k to get like 30k worth of equity in a tournament? All these live pros have fallen behind the curve in terms of skills so their way of adapting is to get sponsorship deals and stay mainstream and famous so they can get backers easily. Since all these bs rankings and money lists only include turnover and not profits this seems like a great way for him to stay on these lists and get profitable deals.