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Negreanu proclaims that he will "purchase a stack" in day two of Bellagio k wpt. Negreanu proclaims that he will "purchase a stack" in day two of Bellagio k wpt.

12-16-2014 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ansky
Can someone explain wtf is happening? He is going to register a tournament, then play the tournament, possibly like a lunatic? Is that all? What is the issue?
He also favorited a post!

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12-16-2014 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker

This cant possibly be true if you look at the bigger picture of trying to get more recreational players in the game.

Unlimited reentry will kill big buyin poker.
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Lol his plan is foiled. He walked in a half hour late and is deep on an alternate list. If he busts, he goes on another alternates list to reenter.
If there are long alternate lists to enter and reenter, isnt that an indication that this format is very popular and attracting lots of players? Sounds like that's a good thing.
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12-16-2014 , 05:18 PM
What's the bid deal? If Chainsaw is uncomfortable flipping for 100bbs in level 1 against Dneg types who clearly state their intentions, then don't enter into pots with them. Stupid thread.
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12-16-2014 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
If there are long alternate lists to enter and reenter, isnt that an indication that this format is very popular and attracting lots of players? Sounds like that's a good thing.


No. They lost the Fontana room and didnt use the casino floor, and are trying to run the entire event in the poker room.
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12-16-2014 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ansky
Can someone explain wtf is happening? He is going to register a tournament, then play the tournament, possibly like a lunatic? Is that all? What is the issue?
This. All the tweet did was give anyone at his table a clue to the fact he was gonna play aggro.

Seems like chainsaw doesn't like the fact that a pro is letting rec players know that he can essentially buy a big stack because he has more money than them. But I think rec players would be happy that someone is going to further inflate a prize pool by making bad decisions, and this further promotes the idea that poker is fun, it's a gamble, even the pros can be crazy, etc. I can't imagine this will be bad for the game.
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12-16-2014 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
Giving money away to the poker community & increasing the odds of a tournament victory from a well known player which means greater exposure for poker are both good things...wtf...
If he sits at a cash game with a 500K stack when everyone else has 100K, then at the end he has the biggest stack, would his victory be good for poker?

Unlimited reentry tournaments are more similar to cash games, in that it is a bunch of guys gambling with some money - some as sharks and some as marks, instead of a competition analogous to a sporting event with favourites and outsiders.
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12-16-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
If he sits at a cash game with a 500K stack when everyone else has 100K, then at the end he has the biggest stack, would his victory be good for poker?

Unlimited reentry tournaments are more similar to cash games, in that it is a bunch of guys gambling with some money - some as sharks and some as marks, instead of a competition analogous to a sporting event with favourites and outsiders.
DN sitting down with $500K in a cash game would have the high stakes community drooling.
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12-16-2014 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
DN sitting down with $500K in a cash game would have the high stakes sweat thread drooling.
fyp
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12-16-2014 , 05:51 PM
Why is there the presumption that reentering will result in you ending up with a bigger stack than everyone else? Arent you just starting over, and are no more or less likely to end up with a big stack than you were with the first buyin?
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12-16-2014 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Why is there the presumption that reentering will result in you ending up with a bigger stack than everyone else? Arent you just starting over, and are no more or less likely to end up with a big stack than you were with the first buyin?


You keep getting your money in marginally and eventually double or triple up. You are purchasing a stack.
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12-16-2014 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath
EDIT: Another issue more relevant than the Chainsaw's claim about Negreanu or other players "buying a stack" until the start of Level 9 today (a staple for Bellagio WPT events for years) is Daniel's BOLD PREDICTION that tournaments starting with over 100 BB's will decrease in the next decade.
I don't think this is all that bold a prediction. The trend online has been towards shorter stacks and faster levels. I expect live will follow suit.
There will also be more 6-max tourneys, because nitring is on the way out.
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12-16-2014 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I don't think this is all that bold a prediction. The trend online has been towards shorter stacks and faster levels. I expect live will follow suit.
There will also be more 6-max tourneys, because nitring is on the way out.
The $1K WSOP turbo had the worst turnout among $1Ks. And the monster stack got 7,800 players.
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12-16-2014 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
The $1K WSOP turbo had the worst turnout among $1Ks. And the monster stack got 7,800 players.



The Turbo also started on a Monday though, which is pretty much the worst day of the week for a tournament to start.
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12-16-2014 , 06:27 PM
Worthless post. He obviously just has a vendetta with Daniel.
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12-16-2014 , 06:28 PM
Unlimited reentry 10k events haven't been a staple for years at Bellagio.



The standard was one entry any time in first 8 levels. Unlimited reentry was added recently.
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12-16-2014 , 06:36 PM
OP, your posts would be better if they contained evidence, logic, or reasoning.

If you have any of those handy, please apply them to the premise that DN buying a stack "can't possibly be good for poker".

Then maybe we can have an actual thread at some point.
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12-16-2014 , 06:42 PM
It seems like a logical argument that if one player has more money to buy more chips than another player in a tournament, then that player has a clear advantage.

Weather the well funded player plays hyper agro and gets it in bad, or just gets beat by a better player.....it seems unfair in a competition that he can buy back in and start all over again, when others can't.

What does Alex Dreyfus at GPI say ? Lets "Sportify" Poker ?

This hardly seems like fair competition.
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12-16-2014 , 06:52 PM
This is a natural evolution of the game due to today's economy, etc. Back in the day, all big buyin tourns were $10K's. Even WSOPC stops like at Rincon here in San Diego were $10k's and they were attended decently. Now the same main events are $1,650. Re-entry is simply a way to boost prize pools that would otherwise be pretty paltry by comparison to yesteryear's heyday.

Also, remember Reentry is not the same as Rebuy. You have to go bust, and most likely will be seated at a different table on Reentry. Yes some guys will play more aggro knowing they can fire more than 1 bullet, but starting stacks are so deep in the early levels it's pretty easy to avoid the spewtards if you're only on one bullet.
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12-16-2014 , 06:57 PM
Those wsopc $1650 circuit events are capped at one reentry.
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12-16-2014 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by doublejoker
Those wsopc $1650 circuit events are capped at one reentry.
Yea, and the same event used to be a $10k. My point is that multiple re-entry events are only to boost prizepools after the impact the economic downturn/poker downturn/black friday/etc. had on tourny field sizes. That's what I think anyway. If the game was so robust with big fields sizes like they used to be, I'm pretty confident tournys would've remained freezeouts.
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12-16-2014 , 07:17 PM
Mods, please create a permanent thread titled: Chainsaw's Complaint of the Day and have near the top of NVG. Then Allen can post in his own thread daily.

Yes, I am a genius.
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12-16-2014 , 07:18 PM
Shame on Allen Kessler for allowing this continued bashing of Negreanu and not even letting the man defend himself or explain his actions.

Last edited by Wilbury Twist; 12-16-2014 at 07:20 PM. Reason: But seriously, I pretty much agree with his point here.
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12-16-2014 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevmath
So Chainsaw makes a post about something that Negreanu tweeted 6 days ago. Standard.
People still say 'standard'?!
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12-16-2014 , 07:52 PM
So now instead of playing poker and shoving wide were purchasing stacks? A revolutionary change to the game indeed. However will we adjust? Not knocking on doublejoker at all, I like him.

Last edited by GoodEnuff; 12-16-2014 at 07:53 PM. Reason: 2015......The year of purchasing staxx?
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12-16-2014 , 08:00 PM
Why is this thread about Negreanu?
It should be about the tournament structure allowing this to be a legitimate tactic.
I'm sure DN won't be the only player willing to do this.

Don't attack the effect. Attack the cause.
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