Obv cuz chainsaw is a nitbag who doesn't want to flip AK for 100bbs in level 1 against DNegs.

lol @ this whole thread

DN is just giving away massive equity in order to maximize his chances for a title over some period of time (TIME, not games, as every one of his rebuy is a separate tournament from his perspective). It's +EV for everyone except him, and unless you are another attention whore looking for titles, who can't afford to do the same thing, you should be fine with it.

If a guy came to your local tournament, and said that he's gonna give 5 buy-ins to the prizepool, but he's not gonna play, so you can just chop up his money, and all you have to do is tell everyone that he's won - you would do it, right?

Cause that's basicly what DN is doing (except for the part where his last buy-in is "for real"). But you don't have to lie for him, just let it play out.

Actually its within dns rights to play with the rules presented.

I more fault the bellagio for allowing this format.

Can someone explain to me daniel's jam to ~28k after a limp of 600 from galen hall pf?It screamed chip dumping when he showed Qx js

Yet you support the Mspt and the hpt which have the exact same re entry rules. You sir are a hypocrite. Care to explain?

It's not hypocritical. It's different for big buy in tournaments because of the strain it puts on the poker economy. With re entries, the best players are going to win more often. When this happens in a hundred dollar tournament it's not a big deal because every 1/2 donkreg joeblow has a hundred bucks saved up or can easily go work a minimum wage job and build up that amount of money. So it's not as big of a deal for the money to flow to the top and 10 years from now joeblow donkreg can continue to play in these 100 dollar tournaments.

But when you do this with 10ks, you will consistently get final tables of all top pros and the money flows to the top again but 10k is not as easily replaceable as 100. And in that same 10 years a lot of people firing in unlimited reentry 10ks who were -EV wont be able to afford it anymore. Lesser pros wont have any edge anymore, and no one will wanna play except the top top guys who can comfortably afford it.

It's bad for poker.

Mspt doesn't have those rules. They allow one reentry max per flight.

Hpt is an affordable buyin for most of their players. They offer several starting days with multiple options of getting back in their events for as little as $80.

It's an uncharitable way to phrase it, but the bolded text is a description of a recreational tournament player, and they keep the whole tournament economy going. Dreams of Titles/Glory > Objective evaluation of EV

That's why unlimited reentry is a problem.

As for another type of recreational player, my father who has a background in bridge and card games generally, did a live tournament during the poker boom that was unlimited rebuy, and he said it was rubbish because two people were just continually shoving any two and reaching into their pockets for more money and there was no chance to actually play cards on a competition of minds basis like he was used to with Bridge. I got into poker much more recently and have managed to get him along to two live tournaments but the first question he asked was "will people be able to reenter?" but he seemed ok with the single-reentry allowed rule in force in the places I play.

from a 2009 interview with dn

hehe

Wow so many people seem to think this strategy is to daniels advantage or something somehow. Yes he increases his chances of winning the tournament and yes, that's the only advantage he gets. If you don't care about winning more than making money you should welcome this.

Ah, so thread is silly then.

gambling is bad.
whats next allowing people to straddle?
i personally think bluffing and playing bad cards should be prohibited as well.
just ruins the game when i see some moron shoving Q2o in a 10K MTT.
or calling with jack high. HE CALLED WITH JACK HIGH, JACK HIGH.

i mean ffs have some respect for the game people, stop making really -EV decisions that benefit everyone else and start playing solid poker.

if i'm going to make $ i want to REALLY EARN it, i don't want some donkey just lighting money on fire making terrible plays cuz he can afford it.
takes all the satisfaction out of winning.

imo people should have to take a certain amount of coaching before entering any tournament so you know they're qualified to even play the game.
this is a sport not some stupid blackjack tournament, and its an insult to people who study the game to just let any random donkey with a bankroll have a shot to get lucky.

ya exactly, you shouldn't be allowed to get your money in bad repeatedly.
i mean maybe once or twice if its accidental and you thought you had the best hand, but if you just keep rebuying and shoving 100bb in blind its just such an unfair advantage.


oh also, you should have to have passed 6th grade math before you're allowed to start a thread.
but thats a totally different/unrelated thought.

The corollary being that recreational amateur players who care about winning more than EV shouldn't welcome it.

The next question then is whether people who do care about EV would rather have 5 Daniel Negreanu entries in the tournament or a few dozen amateurs.

i think chainsaw is just upset no one put him in this

Does this apply to the 3-way pot during Live At The Bike when you explained to everyone in a very loud manner how the pot should be split?

Actually, if he's gonna just shove his first few stacks blind, most people would prefer DN, due to the nature of the ICM (less chips you have, more they are worth, to extremely simplify it ) there is no way his edge deep can make up massive EV loss due to spewing off multiple stacks with <30% equity.

You make a good point about many rec players caring more about titles and prestige than winning money, but then I guess there are also a lot of them who just love to gamble and feel more comfortable about it when they see someone like DN do it.

I don't think that it's possible to find out which one works better for the general population of rec players, without solid statistical data - which also might not work, as people tend to be far more vocal when they dislike something than the other way around.

Would anyone be complaining if it was a dollar rebuy and someone used the same strategy? Building a stack early does not guarantee even cashing. This argument and thread is ridiculous.

Well, i'm publicly against re-entry, cause I think it is against the fairness of the game.

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So how can DN playing like a fish on purpose be considered an advantage to him? I just dont get it.[/QUOTE]

....for the same reason they have table stakes rules in NL Cash Games. So you can't win, and destroy your less funded opponent by simply going all in every hand. Creates a LEVEL playing field.

Supposed to be a skill game.

#sportify poker

So he acknowledged, it's an unfair advantage ?

Of course, it's profitable for the Casino, so don't look for it to change.

This thread shouldn't even be about Daniel Negreanu, he is just publicly stating what he will do based on the rules of the tournament. This thread should be about Bellagio allowing unlimited reentrys in a $10K buyin, and whether that is right for the game and its participants.

I don't mind single reentry which most of the ~$1,650 tours have now (WSOPC, HPT, etc), but unlimited on a $10K seems pretty bad considering $10K is probably above most of the players bankrolls and many are either just taking a shot or satellited-in, or are backed, etc. and I don't think it's fair for a "fat wallet" celebrity player to play in a way knowing he comfortably has 5 or more buyins behind. Just my 2 cents. But again, the issue is with Bellagio and not with DNegs who is just following the rules.

+10^546

I think a lot of you are missing the intent of this thread. I know shocking on 2+2. I think what DJ was saying that allowing re entries in a big buy in tournament is going to hurt it in the long run. The average rec player most likely has been waiting all year or possibly even longer to play in a 10k buy in. When someone like DNegs comes along and just blind shoves the first hand and your AA or whatever gets cracked, it is going to leave a real bad taste in your mouth. This is going to deter people from playing these tournaments and eventually you will be left with much lower turnouts for the big buy ins. The big buyins have already been decimated from where they were at a few years ago, this, if it continues will just continue that trend.

Dont get me wrong Im not saying what DNegs is doing is wrong, and I would probably do it as well if I had the means. But when you present yourself as the poker ambassador like he does from time to time, you come off a bit hypocritical.

It's clearly the fault of the tournament structure, and you acknowledge this, yet you're still singling out Negreanu who is simply taking advantage of the rebuy system.

A lot of people are missing the intent of the thread because OP did a horrendous job of actually getting to the point without randomly singling out DN