@ravager

The largest field size tournament the bike runs has this quantum reload. A 150$ Tournament that generates a 1 million plus prize pool. In this tournament you can buy in with ~5% of the field left, itm, for 5k and receive an average stack.

I would expect that if rec players had an issue with the quantum reload it would have come up at some point over the several years they have ran this tournament.

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you didn't even read the posts that you think you're debating.

Do you have a link to any of the past announcements or results of this tournament ? I don't see any reference to it on thebike.com

Fully agree. In any case, regardless if recreational players care or not, it's not good for the game.

It seems to me that the way The Bike implements this "Quantum Reload" concept in its daily/weekly tournaments, is different in some important ways to how it will be implemented in The WPT Legends Event.

I feel the biggest difference is how late into the tournament the WPT Event will allow the "2nd session" rebuy.

In the weekly 20k GTD Quantum Reload Event at the Bike for example,

http://www.thebike.com/pdf/tournamen...ad_sat_2pm.pdf

the "2nd session" rebuy seems to typically be in the 3rd/4th level, and if a player opts for the "3rd session" rebuy" it's in the 5th/6th level.

These are still typically considered the early stages of a tournament.

In the WPT Legends event, the "2nd session" rebuy will not occur until the 11th level. A full 8 levels including Antes will have already occured when players are then allowed to come in with a 60BB Stack's.

They are much further into the tournament under the WPT format.

Perhaps this is the reason for concern ?

I'm intrigued.
How are they getting the patent on this format? The ISPT used this format 2 years ago. Don't they have a claim on it too?

I don't know how patents work, so I'm interested to hear.

My goodness, can you just imagine if chainsaw harnessed the power of quantum consciousness via the wisdom of Oprah Winfrey and Deepak Chopra?

At that point, he would be able to mentally travel a fraction of a second into the future or into the past. Then, he could control the cards and chip stacks like Schrödinger watching a box of cats.

When is the next one drop again? I'm dropping it all on chainsaw.

It is my opinion that poker is a beautiful game because anyone can win. Yes the pros have a better chance than the amateurs, but everyone starts out with the same chips, and the same chance. I believe this is what brings everyone to the game, a fair shot.

This is 100% against that stance and I hope you will reconsider.

In case this hasn't been stated before Chainsaw has taken this thread to a quantum leap forward.

LOL at trying to patent a rebuy structure.

I have to ask, wasn't Ron Mexico the alias that Michael Vick used when he went to Mexico and gave some girl an STD??

I like the quantam reload, I wish they'd take it one or two steps further though.. If Mo F. or the WPT Director is on here will they please consider allowing people to buy in to day 3 for $100,000? Or perhaps can we buy directly into the 10 handed final table for a quarter mill? Like right after the 10th person gets knocked out, I can slap 250K on the table and get average chips. I mean I would still have to beat half the field to profit and the other players most likely only invested 3.5K anyway.

I just don't want to have to play a long time to get deep in the tourney and this quantam reload works perfectly, just roll my rich lazy ass out of bed and right on to the tv final table, 3 bet call off A2os for all the chippies vs AK and spike the duey on the river for the W, booom, then back to bed with my trophy and a flush girl or two. W, P, to the T.

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The fact is that WPT is highly incentivised to make it as easy as humanly possible for big name pros like Negrenau etc. to make the final table, they want it as stacked as possible to drive up viewership of their TV program. And now pro's can just stroll in on day 2, fresh as a daisy while the rest of the field is operating on little sleep and exhausted from 10+ hours of play the previous day, oh or you could play day 1 and sit in a hotel room for 3 days in Bell Gardens if you want to be fresh on day 2 without paying 10K, niiiiiiice. How can anyone think this is fair at all, or good for poker? Of course it's not, it's only good for deep pocketed pro's and the WPT in generating "better" final tables and skimming a little extra rake on day 2.

quantam fail

As the buyin gets lower less and less players are shut out by reentry.

A $560 With unlimited reentry for certain levels much easier to deal with than the last $10k at bellagio.

This really does seem to be primarily TV show related. We know that Tiger Woods creates a higher rated golf broadcast. Same idea here.

Fair play and doing what's right take a back seat to ratings. We see that all the time in news coverage. Certain events that are not that significant get a lot of play because of their interest factor. At the end of the day, most of these big events are TV shows first and poker tournaments second. I don't think this idea will be funneling down to smaller buyins.

There is one going on right now.

63 players bought into Day 2 for 5.3K. Some (not specified) earned their way through a $1,100 sat): Players were ITM for $700 immediately.

http://thebicyclecasino.blogspot.com...3-entries.html

Allen, I think its pretty scummy youre going into peoples facebook threads that they try and sell action on and spouting your takes on this quantum reload. Whats your end game by trying to impede someone from selling/going to this event? Its pretty ****ed up to get political and potentially affect their livelihood.

It was a joke. Cmon. One person, not several people. He sold out quick and had no problem with my post.

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/allen-...-events-26093/

"The day 2 direct buy-in can be viewed as the official day 1 start, where the $3,700 sessions can be viewed as qualifying heats for the official day 1, where the player carries their chips forward."

What?

I satellited in this event a couple of years ago when it was a 10k buy-in. Did you notice they are running a $1000 satellite on Monday, August 25th to win a seat into the 10k. But wait, this is a $3700 tournament right?? I am so utterly confused right now lol.

Yea. It was a $3.7k event last year, but it's effectively a $10k BI this year with $72,000 (60BB) SS starting at 200/600/1200 - with three $3.7k SATS available to the 10k.

I tweeted Alex Dreyfus of Global Poker Index about how they would weight this tournament. His response

To be confirmed by my team, but it will be counted as 3.7k

quote from the tournament director:

"The day 2 direct buy-in can be viewed as the official day 1 start, where the $3,700 sessions can be viewed as qualifying heats for the official day 1, where the player carries their chips forward."

So the official day 1 Start is a $10k BI, where players get a $72,000 (60bb) Stack, start at 200/600/1,200 and 90 minute levels

Players may SAT into this tournament via (3) available SATS of $3,700 each. Each SAT starts the player with $30,000 chips (100bb), at 50/100 for 10 sixty min levels

at least you admitted who is benefitting from these formats. the casino is. no one else really is. players are raked at a higher rate than ever before, and now they are being raked multiple times for every entry. with rebuy events becoming fewer and further between, the only way a player can get "rebuy" style action is by paying rake every. single. entry.

there's no way you can state this format is good for the poker economy. it's more and more money being taken from poker players' pockets. it's never going to come back to the players.

it is an empty threat coming from a guy who never travels further than the rio to play tournaments and hasn't played a single WPT event in like 3 years, but i will also be boycotting this and any other event the bike runs until you get rid of this format. i'll also be skipping any other tournaments anywhere that run this format. i might even just consider skipping all of these multi-reentry tournaments, if i ever felt the desire to play them, just because they along with this QR format are going to ruin tournament poker, if it already hasn't. outside of the WSOP, i can't really comment. i don't play many MTTs. but now that you're doing this, i have even more incentive to quit playing MTTs--outside of my usual summer of torture at the rio.

Jonathan little has an interesting view on this ...

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00000643075023