Thanks Steve, perhaps the 2nd story editorialized the live reporting. There's a fundamental difference between excessive celebration and outrageous behavior, that's a pretty big leap to make. Definitely polarized accounts of the situation out there.

What about the "Other players in the field who witnessed the incident firsthand" and called it a horrible ruling? Some pretty wide ranges going on with these accounts.

Because he's a classless douche with zero self control.

I like Mike, and I think he's good for the game, so I may be biased but, i think the penalty is excessive.

That is all I have to say, since I wasn't there.

Mike was probably justified though because he is the greatest F***ING player in the world.

Part of me says Mike should STFU some of the time - the other part of me says, without knowing the actual make up of the table or even bothering to go through this thread to see if it was mentioned, but these internet kids and especially the Europeans (if there were any) just can't handle a big mouth and this has IMO unfortunately rubbed off on TD rulings.

More than likely a bit of both. This isn't the first time they've had a run in.

Again, I wasn't there, and I don't know Mike or the TD ... but it kinda smells like when Scorsese won for The Departed when Goodfellas was way better and he got robbed that year.

Past events, should not have any bearing on current events.

Having read Allyn's column, I have to both applaud Dave Lamb for giving the penalty, while also wondering why he

A. Didn't give a penalty sooner.

and

B. Didn't give another one for the continued cursing. Not to mention Mike's coming back to the table early.

High time these "it's all about me" types realized that it isn't all about them. That they do more harm than good. Or, failing there ability to learn such, that at least the rest of us don't have to suffer their presence.

Lee

Wbhat about good for the game in this context:

-personalities bring viewers to the TV shows (what little we can find) and a new or casual viewer watches for the entertainment and then becomes a rec player........

for the record, I personally carry myself in a respectful manner at a table....

Maybe Mikey suffers from Münchausen... but you know... without the Proxy.

Not all personalities do that though, and even if how mike was acting could it is still not acceptable. Like the article's writer said She paid just as much money to enter the tournament as did everyone else at the table. Letting mike get away with his behavior would be insanely unfair to them and probably make them not want to play as much in the future. all in hopes that it would get some more tv viewers?

Im sure there is some kind of metaphor that applies here but im hungover so blah

he was penalized for a lifetime of a**holeness. don't be an a**hole, and it won't happen to you

Exactly. I can't defend mikes actions. He needs to Grow up and the sooner we stop enabling him, the better.

I haven't actually read the thread, but I believe Matusow is an excessive person, by design.

I don't think past behavior should have any bearing on the incident that occurs. The TD should rule based on the facts of an incident. Having not been there, I am not sure about Mike's one orbit penalty. I have seen many celebrations and many berating incidents and I have never been knowing tilted by them as a player. However, I would have an issue with a rail that continually carried on. Many players may only be in a position at the FT in a big event once in a lifetime and they should be afforded the chance to compete without excessive abuse from a player or a rail. I watched the FT stream of the Forrest/Hellmuth and almost turned it off due to the obnoxious rail. I think they should have been removed.

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[QUOTE=ssbn610g;43687213]I don't think past behavior should have any bearing on the incident that occurs.
It did with OJ

Separated at birth.