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Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14 Michael Borovetz, I believe he tried to scam me at McCarran Airport 6-22-14

07-06-2014 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by EltonEast
Nobody seems too concerned that he admitted to (bragged about?) being a rapist, either.

Easily the most overlooked part of this thread.


(first post, big fan of this thread. ya'll are crazy around here.)
Not a brag in any way. My transgressions I have posted were intended to show that a man like myself and millions of others who have made mistakes in our lives due to whatever addictions we may have can overcome by admitting we are powerless over our addiction and do the step work needed to get our lives back in order. As far as the woman I "raped", I located her online, called to make amends with her and she accepted my apology.

I also find it interesting you made this your first post ever on 2+2. I don't understand why you won't post this under your regular account.
07-06-2014 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
As far as the woman I "raped", I located her online, called to make amends with her
So creepy!!!
07-06-2014 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
Obv I don't think that they are equal, hence me saying the difference between the two is the severity of the crime. I just think that it's interesting that many people draw a line based on severity of offense and that on one side they care greatly about why people are the way that they are, and on the other side they judge people purely based on their actions.

Edit: also, not that it's relevant to this point, but lets please stop trying to downplay scamming by calling it panhandling. panhandlers don't ask for hundreds of dollars, pretend to be businessmen and promise a larger return on the money.
If and when Eric is ready to deal with his issues he will have to work with a professional to deal with whatever it is which makes him think and act the way he does.
07-06-2014 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
If and when Eric is ready to deal with his issues he will have to work with a professional to deal with whatever it is which makes him think and act the way he does.
Agreed. It's not his fault. He is the victim of addiction.
07-06-2014 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by JAAASH
Sounds like he would be good at selling mortgages.
Didn't that ship sail 7 years ago?
07-06-2014 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
Obv I don't think that they are equal, hence me saying the difference between the two is the severity of the crime. I just think that it's interesting that many people draw a line based on severity of offense and that on one side they care greatly about why people are the way that they are, and on the other side they judge people purely based on their actions.

Edit: also, not that it's relevant to this point, but lets please stop trying to downplay scamming by calling it panhandling. panhandlers don't ask for hundreds of dollars, pretend to be businessmen and promise a larger return on the money.
I am not one of those people who excuse people for their actions because of an "addiction" or any other reason. We are all responsible for our actions, regardless of our motivation, as is this guy, and it is purely on his actions by which I judge him. That being said, walking up to a stranger at an airport and asking him for money is panhandling, regardless of how much you ask them for, or whether or not you are bald and handing out flowers (I miss those guys). His actions are probably criminal, but by any reasonable standard they are not serious. He was no Bernie Madoff, he was a homeless beggar making up stories and asking people for handouts.
07-06-2014 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
So creepy!!!
What's creepy?
07-06-2014 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
I am not one of those people who excuse people for their actions because of an "addiction" or any other reason. We are all responsible for our actions, regardless of our motivation, as is this guy, and it is purely on his actions by which I judge him. That being said, walking up to a stranger at an airport and asking him for money is panhandling, regardless of how much you ask them for, or whether or not you are bald and handing out flowers (I miss those guys). His actions are probably criminal, but by any reasonable standard they are not serious. He was no Bernie Madoff, he was a homeless beggar making up stories and asking people for handouts.
If you read the OP you can see for yourself that's simply not true, and it has been confirmed by Mike that all of the details are accurate.

I also don't really think that anyone (that's being serious) is excusing Mike, btw. I just think that many people are hypocrites for calling people overly judgmental and ignorant for being very harsh to Mike because of his scamming. As you can see in the Conti thread, once the severity of the crime gets high enough, all of that compassion and understanding evaporates for most people and they suddenly no longer care so much why people do the things that they do.
07-06-2014 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
What's creepy?
Not sure if serious?
07-06-2014 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
If you read the OP you can see for yourself that's simply not true, and it has been confirmed by Mike that all of the details are accurate.

I also don't really think that anyone (that's being serious) is excusing Mike, btw. I just think that many people are hypocrites for calling people overly judgmental and ignorant for being very harsh to Mike because of his scamming. As you can see in the Conti thread, once the severity of the crime gets high enough, all of that compassion and understanding evaporates for most people and they suddenly no longer care so much why people do the things that they do.
It's like the movie "Dead Man Walking", it will take an extraordinary person to have compassion for a person who did what they did and work with them on their problems. I will be the first to admit it would be VERY difficult for myself to sponsor a guy like Mike if he came into AA. I would consult my sponsor first before I would make any effort.
07-06-2014 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
Not sure if serious?
Very. My intentions to call her were to make amends for making out with her while she was nearly passed out. We never had sex nor did I ever touch her inappropriately. I liked her, helped get her really drunk and even though I knew she had a boyfriend I decided to take advantage of the situation and made out with her. So this whole "rape" accusation is way off base. Apparently I have to explain it since certain people want to make it bigger than it is. Not to say what I did wasn't bad because taking advantage of a woman like I did was very wrong.

Last edited by Mullet Man; 07-06-2014 at 05:22 PM.
07-06-2014 , 05:11 PM
Explaining it didn't make it any better.

How did you offer to make amends? Offer to get really drunk and let her take advantage of you?
07-06-2014 , 05:11 PM
phew nearly. that's in bounds
07-06-2014 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBlow
Explaining it didn't make it any better.

How did you offer to make amends? Offer to get really drunk and let her take advantage of you?
Besides the apology, the amends was to never take advantage of another woman(drunk or sober) again. She accepted the terms of the amends. She thanked me for calling her and wished me well in my life.
07-06-2014 , 05:22 PM
Thank god she accepted the terms.
07-06-2014 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
If you read the OP you can see for yourself that's simply not true, and it has been confirmed by Mike that all of the details are accurate.

I also don't really think that anyone (that's being serious) is excusing Mike, btw. I just think that many people are hypocrites for calling people overly judgmental and ignorant for being very harsh to Mike because of his scamming. As you can see in the Conti thread, once the severity of the crime gets high enough, all of that compassion and understanding evaporates for most people and they suddenly no longer care so much why people do the things that they do.
I'm not disputing the accuracy of the story of the OP, I'm disputing your contention that it was a serious crime. It's perfectly legitimate to consider people overly judgemental and ignorant for acting as if this beggar had committed the crime of the century. I can only speak for myself, but it isn't compassion and understanding that leads me to not be overly concerned with this beggars activities, its the fact that his crimes just weren't that serious. If anyone is excusing him for his behavior because of his addiction, I think that's wrong, there's no excuse for being a scummy lowlife. That being said, there is no hypocrisy in viewing his minor transgression in an airport as more sad and pathetic then evil while at the same time being outraged by child molestation.
07-06-2014 , 05:30 PM
mike how were you getting unlimited hotel rooms? do you like, run a special game on hotel clerks to stay in empty rooms for small bribes? or do you have longstanding contacts that hook you up that you've never ****ed over?

or were you straight up breaking in, with like a card hacking device? or phony cards?
07-06-2014 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
Very. My intentions to call her were to make amends for making out with her while she was nearly passed out. We never had sex nor did I ever touch her inappropriately. I liked her, helped get her really drunk and even though I knew she had a boyfriend I decided to take advantage of the situation and made out with her. So this whole "rape" accusation is way off base. Apparently I have to explain it since certain people want to make it bigger than it is. Not to say what I did wasn't bad because taking advantage of a woman like I did was very wrong.
Well, to be fair, aren't you the one who used the term "rape" to start w/? When I hear someone say they were accused of "rape" and that they called the victim to make amends I instantly cringe and want to punch said person in the face. If what you say happened is what happened I have no idea why you would bring it up in the first place and no idea why you would have gotten in trouble for it.
07-06-2014 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Frenbar
I'm not disputing the accuracy of the story of the OP, I'm disputing your contention that it was a serious crime. It's perfectly legitimate to consider people overly judgemental and ignorant for acting as if this beggar had committed the crime of the century. I can only speak for myself, but it isn't compassion and understanding that leads me to not be overly concerned with this beggars activities, its the fact that his crimes just weren't that serious. If anyone is excusing him for his behavior because of his addiction, I think that's wrong, there's no excuse for being a scummy lowlife. That being said, there is no hypocrisy in viewing his minor transgression in an airport as more sad and pathetic then evil while at the same time being outraged by child molestation.
Just because someone asks for money one way or another doesn't necessarily make it simple begging or panhandling.

Is it panhandling if someone asks for money for charity but then doesn't donate it to charity?

Is it panhandling if someone asks for money for an investment opportunity that doesn't exist and then disappears?

Is it panhandling is someone asks for money for a service that they never intend to perform or that they know doesn't live up to it's claims?

No, no and no, just like it's not panhandling to pretend to be a business person and ask for hundreds of dollars while also claiming that you will return that money and more with no intention to do so, just like it's not panhandling to ask a guy to cover your rebuy to save you a trip with no money or intention to pay back.

This isn't just my opinion and it isn't some debatable gray area. It is scamming and it is a serious crime both in the eyes of the law and most of society.
07-06-2014 , 05:43 PM
PSU passes the baton to Exit82, who passes it to Mullet Man. Is this some kind of douche relay?
07-06-2014 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
Well, to be fair, aren't you the one who used the term "rape" to start w/? When I hear someone say they were accused of "rape" and that they called the victim to make amends I instantly cringe and want to punch said person in the face. If what you say happened is what happened I have no idea why you would bring it up in the first place and no idea why you would have gotten in trouble for it.
Here is my original post:
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
Me personally, I stole $1,000's from family and work, drove drunk close to 75 times putting people in danger, took advantage of a woman while she was nearly passed out among some of the things I did. I was able to make amends with each and every person who I harmed and made restitution to those I stole from. Took me a long time but I did it. Was it easy? HARDEST THING I EVER HAD TO DO!
Where did I ever mention I raped a woman? The word "rape" was brought up by one of the trolls under a new account. What I did with her wasn't breaking the law just a ****ty thing I did to her and by the 12 steps of AA I wanted to rectify what I did wrong.
07-06-2014 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaycareInferno
Just because someone asks for money one way or another doesn't necessarily make it simple begging or panhandling.

Is it panhandling if someone asks for money for charity but then doesn't donate it to charity?

Is it panhandling if someone asks for money for an investment opportunity that doesn't exist and then disappears?

Is it panhandling is someone asks for money for a service that they never intend to perform or that they know doesn't live up to it's claims?

No, no and no, just like it's not panhandling to pretend to be a business person and ask for hundreds of dollars while also claiming that you will return that money and more with no intention to do so, just like it's not panhandling to ask a guy to cover your rebuy to save you a trip with no money or intention to pay back.

This isn't just my opinion and it isn't some debatable gray area. It is scamming and it is a serious crime both in the eyes of the law and most of society.
This is my last post regarding this as I've made my opinion, which, if you read through this very long thread, is shared by others, abundantly clear. Call it scamming, panhandling, begging, its all semantics. Everyone agrees that it is against the law. Most people, myself included, agree that it is scummy, lowlife behavior that should be castigated and pilloried. That is is *serious* crime is absolutely your opinion. If begging under false pretenses is a *serious* crime, what adjective to you use for crimes that are actually serious, such as child molestation or murder? If you think what this scumbag did ranks as a serious crime, I envy you, you must have led a very, very sheltered life free of adversity. Here's to hoping that neither you, or anyone you know, is a victim of a crime that is actually serious. Cheers.
07-06-2014 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
If and when Eric is ready to deal with his issues he will have to work with a professional to deal with whatever it is which makes him think and act the way he does.
Bro, you're ****ing kidding right? The only help for child molesters is a bullet to the brain and/or mutilating their genitals. Time to get a grip and realize some people can't be helped.

Last edited by beaverslayer; 07-06-2014 at 06:48 PM.
07-06-2014 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mullet Man
Here is my original post:


Where did I ever mention I raped a woman? The word "rape" was brought up by one of the trolls under a new account. What I did with her wasn't breaking the law just a ****ty thing.
What exactly did you do then? I'm hard-pressed believing all you did was undo her bra strap.
07-06-2014 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverslayer
What exactly did you do then? I'm hard-pressed believing all you did was undo her bra strap.
I already posted what happen right before that post and sorry to disappoint you that I didn't even do that.

      
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