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10-10-2017 , 08:23 AM
A lawsuit has already been filed against the bump stock maker by a Las Vegas law firm. The article says 35,000 of them were sold in 2011.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...-manufacturer/
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10-10-2017 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
Amazing that in a City that is a virtual surveillance state with cameras and security everywhere that the authorities could/would sit on all the related video this long, especially after already having been shown to have falsely stated when the alleged shooter checked in to the hotel and the timeline related to the security guard being shot.

You don't have to be conspiracy-minded to suspect gross incompetence or a cover up of some aspect of the event.
yeah in their huge cover up involving hundreds of people (presumably all to be assassinated at a later date) they "sit on" the video instead of just saying "that camera wasn't turned on" when they want something hidden.
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10-10-2017 , 04:57 PM
i don't think there is any conspiracy. But based on the timeline changing, I think the sheriff is holding things that he knows back from the public.

Why did the guy stop shooting? he had so many guns in his room. Why did he have explosives?

He clearly had some part 2 to his plan that went awry. Maybe the security guard showing up screwed up those plans. If the security guard hasn't showed up, Paddock could have escaped through the elevators as vegas hotel hallways have no cameras.
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10-10-2017 , 05:24 PM
Not followed it have they found out why he did it? Terrorist or nut job?
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10-10-2017 , 05:42 PM
I think we can confirm that he was a nut job but no motive has been found.
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10-10-2017 , 08:24 PM
Here is something by noted gambling expert Anthony Curtis that I would suggest reading for anyone who doesn't understand advantage play.
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10-11-2017 , 07:18 AM
Guard went up to room because paddock was drilling holes into the walls in his room. I read that somewhere, it didn't have the exact reason why he was drilling
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10-11-2017 , 07:55 AM
cops said he was securing the door to his room closed
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10-11-2017 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by STLNolaWoj
Guard went up to room because paddock was drilling holes into the walls in his room. I read that somewhere, it didn't have the exact reason why he was drilling
Most news reports have said that security guard was up on the 32nd floor looking into a door-open alarm on a completely different suite on the same floor. His being up there was (apparently) just a coincidence.
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10-11-2017 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Monorail
Most news reports have said that security guard was up on the 32nd floor looking into a door-open alarm on a completely different suite on the same floor. His being up there was (apparently) just a coincidence.
FWIW: https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...investigation/ :
Before Paddock sprayed bullets into the crowd, Paddock opened fire down the hallway of the 32nd floor, injuring Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos. The guard, who was not armed, was on the floor responding to a door left ajar when he heard the sound of drilling coming from Paddock’s room.
The guard was shot in the thigh, and though Paddock fired more than 200 rounds down the hall and into nearby rooms, no one else in the hotel was injured.After the guard was shot, the guard radioed Mandalay Bay security, who then reported the shooting to police.
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10-11-2017 , 01:58 PM
Who is Jesus Campos? I want to know more about what happened.

http://www.newsweek.com/who-jesus-ca...-mishap-681898
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10-11-2017 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by NoExit
Did you mean at the Rio hotel/casino/parking lot? Otherwise can you elaborate on how you saw suicides, murders and robberies occur in a poker room?
Outside the casinos, on the property. The Rio parking lot I've heard endless stories of robberies there, but in recent years less. The incidents I've seen there have been inside during the WSOP.

I have never witnessed a murder in LV, just an attempted one. The suicides are often via jumping off parking garages. Saw two of those in two days in 2015. Just sad.

The casinos cover it up. This will be a very easy thing to ascertain during discovery. Individually the PR coverups never mattered before, now there is enough grief that it will.
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10-11-2017 , 08:59 PM
Every article and video says he was winning on video poker. I mean wtf, is this really possible to find an edge there? If he plays 10 hours a day (800 hands / hour) with a bet of $125 and the machines give back (even) 98%, he is loosing $2000 / hour. There is no way casinos give comps worth that much. Losing 20k-30k a day. You cant drink/eat/get the best hotelrooms to compensate that. Please somebody enlighten me!

edit: nevermind sorry, I've just read the gambling with an edge article. It still doesn't make sense for me. Doing 2000 hours just for ~breaking even and basically turn your money into comps? What is the point in doing that? Or maybe he was running over EV and thought he has a bigger edge? Even if he ran over EV, probably not running over EV for 10-15 years.

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10-11-2017 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lackoogcb
Every article and video says he was winning on video poker. I mean wtf, is this really possible to find an edge there? If he plays 10 hours a day (800 hands / hour) with a bet of $125 and the machines give back (even) 98%, he is loosing $2000 / hour. There is no way casinos give comps worth that much. Losing 20k-30k a day. You cant drink/eat/get the best hotelrooms to compensate that. Please somebody enlighten me!
The article I saw said he was playing 99.1-99.5% back machines
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10-11-2017 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Lackoogcb
Every article and video says he was winning on video poker. I mean wtf, is this really possible to find an edge there? If he plays 10 hours a day (800 hands / hour) with a bet of $125 and the machines give back (even) 98%, he is loosing $2000 / hour. There is no way casinos give comps worth that much. Losing 20k-30k a day. You cant drink/eat/get the best hotelrooms to compensate that. Please somebody enlighten me!
You like so many others need to read the thread, I posted a link that shows where you can actually find +EV VP any day of the week. There are machines that payout >100%, plenty of them.
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10-11-2017 , 09:20 PM
yeah i just read it after my comment, sorry

When players started counting cards on blackjack and stuff ilke that, casinos just banned them. How come they not ban these players and allow 100%+ machines?
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10-11-2017 , 09:27 PM
Most players, especially once you get them drunk, probably don't play perfectly. Also, the casino's bankroll is bigger. Going by one of the examples in the thread, if you didn't have the BR, you might go broke before you hit the jackpot that makes it +EV.
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10-11-2017 , 10:33 PM
Saw on the news that one of the victim's lawyer (who is suing the venue) has an argument that there was no announcement over the public address system after the shooing started, It was basically -- singer runs off stage and everybody figure out for yourselves what's happening and what to do.
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10-12-2017 , 01:34 AM
I believe that was sort of addressed ITT or maybe the older one -- but remember that in the moment, likely no one knew what was going on. Providing incorrect/unhelpful information might be worse than none.

That doesn't really seem like an area that deserves criticism here, IMHO.
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10-12-2017 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
Saw on the news that one of the victim's lawyer (who is suing the venue) has an argument that there was no announcement over the public address system after the shooing started, It was basically -- singer runs off stage and everybody figure out for yourselves what's happening and what to do.
Why does there need to be an announcement? When you hear gunshots, you should run. (Unless you're Michael Bennett.)
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10-12-2017 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
A lawsuit has already been filed against the bump stock maker by a Las Vegas law firm. The article says 35,000 of them were sold in 2011.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...-manufacturer/
I like the part where they keep on bringing up emotional distress. I guess putting 50+ people in the ground won't bring in as much money as a 1000 people with emotional distress.
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10-12-2017 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
Why does there need to be an announcement? When you hear gunshots, you should run. (Unless you're Michael Bennett.)
If it seems 1% negligent, then it is negligent. This is for a court to decide the merits of. I don't know if I agree with you or not.

Civil cases can assign percentage blame to things. While I don't think it makes much difference, it could have made a difference, and therefore it could be negligent.
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10-12-2017 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
Why does there need to be an announcement? When you hear gunshots, you should run. (Unless you're Michael Bennett.)
I saw a video where someone in the crowd (after the shooting started) was saying to people it's just fireworks. Also some guy (probably drunk) was just standing tall in the middle of everyone with both arms spread, giving the finger.

Of course this is after the fact quarterbacking but if someone loudly and repeatedly announced over the PA "we have an emergency, possible gunshots, take cover immediately" it would have helped somewhat especially to those who might have been confused and/or intoxicated.
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10-12-2017 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag

He clearly had some part 2 to his plan that went awry. Maybe the security guard showing up screwed up those plans. If the security guard hasn't showed up, Paddock could have escaped through the elevators as vegas hotel hallways have no cameras.
Is this true??? Vegas hotel hallways have 0 cameras? None ??
I find this suprising.
With camera's so cheap these days, how could they not have them installed
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10-12-2017 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by fasterlearner
Is this true??? Vegas hotel hallways have 0 cameras? None ??
I find this suprising.
With camera's so cheap these days, how could they not have them installed
I don't know and I figured cameras were in the hallways, but from what I have read, it is pretty common that they are not installed. About ten years ago at Aussie Millions I found a maid's "room key" on the elevator, a card to every room in the Crown Casino hotel, had I known cameras not being present is common, I might have went HAM
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