Just saw the CNN story and remembered it from 2p2. This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard.

I flew home from LAX with a good hs friend who had over $200k with him and declared it all and had no issues as he had the withdrawl of $100k receipt from Vancouver and the Commerce cashier slip proving the funds came off the table. I had no idea a casino will count your table cash and provide a slip came in very handy.

Lots of things growing in between the corn. Stealing from dealers has always been the way to go if you have the muscle.

I just watched the CNN thing and honestly I got the impression those guys were drug dealers lol. Does anyone know those 2, are they actually professional poker players? They said the raid on there homes in California lead to drug charges. Wouldn't surprise me if they were dealers who played a few tournies every year so they can claim to be professional gamblers.

actually they raided his home and charged him with possession of paraphernalia. the bong in the closet seems a far cry from "drug charges" in the context you use

Both confirmed far NorCal regs. Bart more so that John.

just lol

i cant even

america is so ****ed, id rather be dead then live there

What's the purpose of vacuum sealing? To prevent mold?

Compresses the required space.

I was listening to NPR. They said that a federal law was passed stating that local law enforcements could not confiscate property without proof of it being involved with a crime. In the u.s. so that's good news.

The Feds have no interest butttt the State can do what they wish.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/invest...y.html?hpid=z5

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...re-115089.html

This thread really raised my blood pressure.

Lets not be naive here. You don't vaccumm seal poker money, it doesn't make it smaller as stated above. What casino pays out that much in 20's?

Glad they got it back, you must prove they actually did bad with that money...

wrong... the cops don't have to prove ****. all they have to do is suspect. i suspect is pretty vague language.

it's on you to prove it's not illegal. and good luck with that. money seized from people never even charged with a crime is rarely returned.

They got it back though, so I am not wrong.

look at the stats.

people who get their money seized under civil forfeiture and are never charged with a crime, get their money back about 1/20.

and that's only if you have the means to hire an attorney at like 10k.

you're not right. the burden of proof is on the citizen to prove that he obtained the money legally.

civil forfeiture is a ****ing joke and if any of us had any balls at all we'd take to the ****ing streets in protest.

OK. Allow me to say a couple things here. I am in no way agreeing with everything stated in this post. I am also not endorsing any potential anti-Semite views that this poster may have expressed in another thread. But, I do have to agree with the bolded section of this post. Even though I have not always been the biggest fan of cops, people have to realize that if you get pulled over with a huge amount of cash and drugs in your car you will not be looked at fondly by US law enforcement. For full disclosure, I have not read if these players had complete documentation of their tourney winnings on their persons etc., but even so, I would be extremely hesitant to drive around anywhere with that much cash and also drugs in the car. I have smoked weed, plenty of it in the past, but the fact of the matter is it is against the law and when you combine having it in your car with tons of cash most cops will get extremely suspicious and you might find yourself in a bind. It's not worth it. Anyone can get pulled over for any reason, and cops can and will overstep their boundaries in certain situations. Don't give them any more reason to do so by having illegal substances in your car w/ tons of cash you can't afford to lose or be tied up having to fight to get back.

no, you're still wrong. it's almost impossible to get it back and it usually costs way more than you're getting back to challenge it in court.

This actually hurts poker players. These guys were 100% delivering weed to someone in Iowa. I'm not saying they should be convicted or anything, and clearly inventing false reasons to pull over cars fitting a specific profile is wrong, but the money isn't from poker.

They are using poker as a cover for illegally selling weed. As poker players, we will experience more scrutiny because of people like this.

Agree with the sentiment that these guys are not poker players. since there is no hard set definition on being a pro poker player I guess they could be anything they wanted.

Stop blaming the victim.

This argument sounds similar to a rapist blaming his victim for dressing provocatively.

All the statements about "some of the guys had illegal stuff in their cars" obscures the real issue. If the guys pulled over had been charged, convicted, and assets seized as part of criminal endeavor, it would all make sense. The people in the cars weren't even charged, let alone being convicted to lose their money. So it is silly to argue that police were harassing criminals. Add in that plenty of the seizure cases had zero criminal element other than a nebulous "that guy has too much cash". Even as a midstakes player it is scary to think that getting on a domestic flight or driving to a casino, you could have your money stolen in a random jurisdiction and forced to spend 5 figures to have a chance to get cash back.

The fact that local police departments are hiring companies to train them to rob you on the road under this pretext is sickening. Agree with this:
If the person were a criminal, were charged + convicted, then you could go off on a high horse about "don't do bad stuff". The allegations of bad stuff was clearly a pretext.

Majority of LEO's are complete scum.

They make money no matter how this type of thing goes down.

I've been pulled over with a little over 1k and a couple ounces of weed on me and they stole my money claiming that it was "profit" from selling weed which it was not.

Well said, seems in America your now guilty until proven innocent. A lot of people need to get their heads out of the sand.