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04-15-2012 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pls try to bluf
Well we cant sit back and just wait. Has anyone been able to locate lederer, ferguson, bitar, ivey? Or know the status of them? Their share in the company I feel they should put up to pay back players and if they dont have it... well all of their assets need to be put up/sold and money given to the players. Say they pay everyone right now .50 on the dollar and then when full tilt settles pay the other .50. Or pay all the small guys now with little bankrolls, get them out of the way. Then when FT settles pay the big guys. Seems like they don't want to pay a dime and thats bull****, will not work. Of course ivey is playing on stars because showing his face in public could be a bad idea. People want their money and you sir also have to pay up. Shouldn't be allowed to make another dime until you do so, its bull****.
I eagerly await your plan, so we know what to do besides wait.

Oh, nm... your plan (to avoid waiting) is "see if anyone ITT has seen lederer lately."

I'm on it.
04-15-2012 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gankstar
I remember when you corrected me on my spelling...just returning the annoying irrelevant favor.

(In case you forgot, you said to me:

"Turn off your computer and go read a book."

Perhaps now we can say typos don't reflect education or intelligence necessarily? I hope so.)
It amuses me that the comment stuck with you for so long.

If you must know, my typo exists because I decided to change my post from "an unfortunate side effect" to "a fortunate side effect" and forgot to delete the "n."

I have no idea when I said the above quote to you, but I'd put money on it being over more than just a typo - probably the misuse of some random word like "there" when you meant "their" which is a bit more than just a typo, I think you'd agree.

This post matters and is relevant to the thread.
04-15-2012 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pls try to bluf
Well we cant sit back and just wait. Has anyone been able to locate lederer, ferguson, bitar, ivey? Or know the status of them? Their share in the company I feel they should put up to pay back players and if they dont have it... well all of their assets need to be put up/sold and money given to the players. Say they pay everyone right now .50 on the dollar and then when full tilt settles pay the other .50. Or pay all the small guys now with little bankrolls, get them out of the way. Then when FT settles pay the big guys. Seems like they don't want to pay a dime and thats bull****, will not work. Of course ivey is playing on stars because showing his face in public could be a bad idea. People want their money and you sir also have to pay up. Shouldn't be allowed to make another dime until you do so, its bull****.
Phil Ivey has already showed his face in public. He played in the main event at a tournament in Los Angeles. He hasn't been charged with a crime. He is "in the clear".

But he does travel with some bodyguards - just in case some lunatic gets a wild idea.
04-15-2012 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlyoneonetime
I appreciate your dissertation sir, allow me to refine my previous statements.

I want to know what Todd Terry knows about how the DOJ may be paying out to US players (as I am a US player) once "the deal" is completed [next week- har har!].

His decision to launch a new lawsuit, this late in "the deal" and how near it is to completion, could affect MY ability to get paid MY money - regardless of what I may have or may not have done up to this point to get my money back, which you really don't know anyway because you can't know that, so please don't assume. Also, you have not stated for the forum what it is that you have done to help the players receive their money - assuming of course you had money on FTP, or know / care about people who do, as those are the main reasons most people frequent this thread (if not this site since black friday).

If Todd Terry's new lawsuit somehow endangers my chances of getting an acceptable % of my money, then I have a right to be pissed, to be suspicious, and to lament his actions this late in the game. Of course, I can't know what % I might receive because Todd Terry hasn't shared the information he obviously has.



What I -DO- know is that Todd Terry isn't concerned for me getting my 100%, which is all I want

Todd Terry wants to try and double down, and get some extra juice for his time spent waiting.

And I can't blame him, but again, his lawsuit might somehow affect my ability to receive an acceptable %, or the idea % (100%), of my funds.


Its time for Todd Terry to share his information, at the very least with Diamond Flush, Noah, Scott Matusow, or some other trusted poker name who can say "this is the right thing for Todd Terry to do on our behalf", I don't need any further details than that (though I know some people will want moar).


Is mise to... ahhh whatever.
Yes, you getting your money back is all you want. It's all about you.

I think it is each man for himself here. Grab a life preserver or learn how to swim.
04-15-2012 , 07:41 PM


happy death day people. feel free to blow this out and make a wish

Last edited by stackinsideways; 04-15-2012 at 07:54 PM.
04-15-2012 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
You know, it's cool that you're constantly going around pushing your "everything is a big corrupt conspiracy" thing in every thread, but making a clever movie reference doesn't mean that this statement isn't ******ed as hell.
Anytime you would like to come to my Caesars Corruption thread and debate feel free. Just remember to post what you think is false and why I'm wrong. I have over 400 hours research on the subject and know what's up.

Secondly, the statement the meme makes is totally true. Take a look at the music industry, Mega Upload, online poker, and small businesses. In fact, if you are in the USA right now, go look around your town/city and see what kind of non corporation small businesses you can find. Hardware stores are extinct. Fast food without liquor license is extinct unless there are illegals working for below min wage. Small farms are becoming extinct. You name it, anyone who does well has the government go after them unless they are tied in.

Full Tilt is guilty of making money. They were a threat to the casino cartels and were shut down. Eric Holder should be investigated under "Color of Law" abuses. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investig...s/color_of_law
04-15-2012 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Prospace
Anytime you would like to come to my Caesars Corruption thread and debate feel free. Just remember to post what you think is false and why I'm wrong. I have over 400 hours research on the subject and know what's up.

Secondly, the statement the meme makes is totally true. Take a look at the music industry, Mega Upload, online poker, and small businesses. In fact, if you are in the USA right now, go look around your town/city and see what kind of non corporation small businesses you can find. Hardware stores are extinct. Fast food without liquor license is extinct unless there are illegals working for below min wage. Small farms are becoming extinct. You name it, anyone who does well has the government go after them unless they are tied in.

Full Tilt is guilty of making money. They were a threat to the casino cartels and were shut down. Eric Holder should be investigated under "Color of Law" abuses. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investig...s/color_of_law
LOL, I figure I spent about 4000 hours on the toilet bowl in my life. And my crap smells sweeter than yours.
04-15-2012 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by aggo
it was a ponzi scheme
LOL can you even define ponzi scheme?
04-15-2012 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
It makes me wonder what goes into being a regulatory agency and why poker sites even bother getting a license.

Is it a requirement to operate in some countries? If so, why do those countries accept regulatory licenses from places that clearly... don't regulate anything? Is anyone fooled?

I mean, if poker sites want a regulatory body that doesn't actually do anything, I'll agree to do nothing for way less than Alderny is doing it.

TBH, Alderny's job is... what? If they have no liability when **** hits the fan, what's the purpose of them even being there? I mean, if it was my job to look after something but there were zero consequences to it going missing/getting stolen/busted, I'd take the money, leave whatever I was supposed to be watching on a street corner, and hope for the best.

It would seem like one of the key parts of being a regulatory body is assuming some responsibility if you fail to regulate the company you were paid to.
In my country it is even not legal to operate a pokerroom. So why the hell do they need a license. If somebody robs a bank and gets caught and says to the officer "here, I have a license to rob banks, bought it in Belguim",
oh well, sorry, off you go, enjoy your day.
04-15-2012 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDarkElf
Phil Ivey has already showed his face in public. He played in the main event at a tournament in Los Angeles. He hasn't been charged with a crime. He is "in the clear".

But he does travel with some bodyguards - just in case some lunatic gets a wild idea.
he doesn t have bodyguards.
04-15-2012 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Prospace
Anytime you would like to come to my Caesars Corruption thread and debate feel free. Just remember to post what you think is false and why I'm wrong. I have over 400 hours research on the subject and know what's up.

Secondly, the statement the meme makes is totally true. Take a look at the music industry, Mega Upload, online poker, and small businesses. In fact, if you are in the USA right now, go look around your town/city and see what kind of non corporation small businesses you can find. Hardware stores are extinct. Fast food without liquor license is extinct unless there are illegals working for below min wage. Small farms are becoming extinct. You name it, anyone who does well has the government go after them unless they are tied in.

Full Tilt is guilty of making money. They were a threat to the casino cartels and were shut down. Eric Holder should be investigated under "Color of Law" abuses. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investig...s/color_of_law
That might be close to a record for the amount of words put into someone's mouth at one time.
04-15-2012 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
That might be close to a record for the amount of words put into someone's mouth at one time.
For what it's worth I contacted FTP several months ago and signed papers relieving them of the any money they owed to me in excess of 15k btw. I did not want to be the straw that broke the camels back. Full Tilt Poker was always good to me as a poker affiliate and I trust their leaders (old ftp).

I don't know what you mean by putting words into your mouth. To tell you the truth, the DOJ's illegal actions put tremendous strain on my family and business.

04-15-2012 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Prospace
For what it's worth I contacted FTP several months ago and signed papers relieving them of the any money they owed to me in excess of 15k btw. I did not want to be the straw that broke the camels back. Full Tilt Poker was always good to me as a poker affiliate and I trust their leaders (old ftp).

I don't know what you mean by putting words into your mouth. To tell you the truth, the DOJ's illegal actions put tremendous strain on my family and business.

Awesome, more for the rest of us.
04-15-2012 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
well apparently you still dont know what a ponzi scheme is
FTP post BF in May and June ran promotions aimed at the ROW players trying to garner deposits and play knowing full well they didn't have the money to pay out.

While most people agree FTP didn't start out as a ponzi type scheme they certainly turned into one at the end.
04-15-2012 , 09:21 PM
I think on today the anniversary an appropriate thing for us to do is try to inform anybody we can about the issue of online poker in America.

I made a post on Reddit (r/politics) about this as an issue of freedom that is completely ignored in the mainstream. Please upvote and comment. If you don't have a Reddit account it takes just a few seconds.


Getting this on the front page of Reddit would get the message out to millions.


http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/com...t_effectively/
04-15-2012 , 09:48 PM
Wtf why would people down vote that
04-15-2012 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Gankstar
I mean, I think our govt legalizes fraud by allowing fractional banking, so I wouldn't say all they're guilty of is making money (they didn't hold 100% deposits at FTP)....but the govt is certainly equivalent to extortionist thugs with baseball bats who created this whole problem to begin with by prohibiting adults from playing poker online.

As I said before: no law-ee, no butt rape-ee.

BTW, greatest pic of all time
I think your govt seems to think that it's my govt
04-15-2012 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
he doesn t have bodyguards.
Yes he does both lapc and australia he's had guys in the room or near. Thought they might be trainers as well as bodyguards.
04-16-2012 , 01:32 AM
Originally Posted by Gioco
Meanwhile, here are some folks, with a deceptive name, who are doing all they can to not help us:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012...niversary/?hpb
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Originally Posted by gnvsnk
I think you massively misunderstanding/misreading the whole thing... (Unless I am missing something.)
I don't think tightening the "Wire Act," that means broadening it to include poker as a prohibited form of betting, and delivering intrastate poker is what I want. I think these are the people who brought us black Friday.
04-16-2012 , 02:08 AM
So does anyone have a source for next week?
04-16-2012 , 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LegendLength
Yes it's so stupid of him not to read the previous 300 pages to find out what has happened.

In summary monta, we do not know. Players are still out of pocket and there is no timeframe for when / if they'll be paid. There are rumors of a new FTP version 2 opening up due to job adverts.

Just a note to the other predictable d1ckheads like DePokerGod: It's ok for forums to duplicate information. They really do have enough hard drive space.
And just a note to d1ckheads like yourself, you/nor he did not have to read the previous 300 posts you mentioned. As the CLIFFS i provided more than answer his pathetic broken english question.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but if he wanted info that much, i am sure its all here for him to find. Just hope you have enough hard drive memory in your brain to comprehend that.
04-16-2012 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by montabarnak
what happen with ftp ? when they open ?
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Originally Posted by kikadell
Exactly.
04-16-2012 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bgomez89
Wtf why would people down vote that
Posts about kittens get downvoted too. The average upvote % for a front page link is 53%. Welcome to the internet

Last edited by kikadell; 04-16-2012 at 02:58 AM. Reason: upvoted
04-16-2012 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDarkElf
Phil Ivey has already showed his face in public. He played in the main event at a tournament in Los Angeles. He hasn't been charged with a crime. He is "in the clear".

But he does travel with some bodyguards - just in case some lunatic gets a wild idea.
Sounds like a boss, nobody seems to care that Phil Ivey boycotted the wsop for you guys, because it was not fair that you guys couldn't play and he could. He could have easily made tons of money last year.

He would have been worth billions when he died if the doj wouldn't have seized ft(Life time contract). I think he is just as mad as you guys. But I don't hear him get any credit on 2+2. Really sucks for him, he was just the guy who made the money for ft to be started and was the face of ft.

Now that your tiny bankrolls are gone, you all turn on him.

Sad situation. Nobody has 150million for your bankrolls. Or 75 million for your bankrolls.

President bush warned everyone with the wire act. It was on you that you left your entire roll on there. People like me wouldn't be caught dead with more then 500 on there.

Ivey is still the nuts, flame away.
04-16-2012 , 03:26 AM
heres hoping to a better 2nd year post-bf

      
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