How about Phil Gordon and Mike Matusow?

and why didn't you take a picture of him down on his knees begging to pay u up?

ICWUDT. I lol'd, TY

and Ray Bitar is #15 , well **** me runnin, thanks mister for the poll from back in the day. LOL

www.pocketkings.ie does not exist anymore!

guess they can't pay for the webspace.

i am in dublin next week and was searching for their adress to make a visit.
anyone has it?

can this mean anything with the ps full tilt?

Wow!

3rd Floor, Block AD, Cherrywood Science and Technology Park, Loughlinstown, Dublin 18 01 239 3664

did i miss something or are we still in same place as a week or two ago?

Record the visit and upload it! Maybe the parking security guard will give you an interview?

no and yes.

The last Lederer tweet on April, 12 2011 says:

Howard Lederer @howardhlederer
Plus Tom has apparently invested in a fine bathroom company as well!


Maybe he was predicting what would happen with our money.

Same place, but no news makes a lot of people ITT think the sky is falling.

lol'd

we are in the same place as a year ago yes.

States (compulsory governments, as opposed to voluntary governments) create black markets through prohibition of nonviolent acts between consenting adults (indisputable fact #1). Black markets are run by sociopaths (indisputable fact #2), because violence is the only way to settle disputes given courts and lawful arbitration are not an option (indisputable fact #3). Sociopaths tend to lie, steal, and con, and never take responsibility when caught (indisputable fact #4).

So what is to blame here?

If this was a restaurant that went out of business with dirty floors, mean waitresses, and bad food you'd blame management, logically, not the peripheral causes I just listed. The ultimate cause is bad management.

So, the perpheral causes of our poker problem here are unaccountable sociopaths, those sociopaths running the black market, and the black market existing...but what then is the ultimate cause? The management...or the state, if you like, and it's prohibitions of nonviolent acts between consenting adults.

This is known as cause and effect.

To ignore the ultimate cause and blame peripheral causes is to say "I didn't shoot you, I'm over here 30 feet away with the gun. The bullet shot you, clearly." Although this may be true, that the bullet shot the victim, that is a peripheral cause, and the ultimate cause is you pulling the trigger on the gun the bullet came from originally.

You simply have follow the trail of evidence in the chain of causal events to arrive at the proper conclusion (the effectual "end of the line").

Did the state's prohibitions FORCE socipaths to run the newly created black market? No, but it certainly incentivized it in what can be called "a predictable outcome". Did the state force FTP to scam us all? No, but it certainly set in motion a set of events that made it far more probable. Did the state exaserbate the problem by then causing a run on the FTP "bank"? Yes, but that's not to say the action wasn't justified (even if the prohibition that authorized the raid, created the black market, and incentivized the sociopaths to run that market were not justified).

So is the state to blame? Ultimately, **** yes. Does that mean we're making excuses for FTP scumbags? No. Both suck my hairy yam bag. But one is the ultimate cause, the other is peripheral.

/start philosophical derail

BTW, anarchists (of the type you describe) aren't against government, their against compulsory government. We believe in self government and voluntary government as opposed to extortion (tax) and thuggery (coercion for hire) being legalized via monopolization of market demanded services (like law, defense, security, etc.).

This isn't political, it's philosophical...so...

/end philosophical derail

Even using your philosophy, you've confused peripheral and ultimate causes. The ultimate cause for you not having your $$$ back today, is that FTP mismanaged and co-opted your money as their own. FTP is the I'm not going to get into a discussion with you on the proper role of government, but if you're going to claim certain terms, at least apply them correctly.

Im sure if there was bad news pstars would let us know about it! But sometimes I feel like wouldn't x full tilt employee that are getting hired from pstars come on here and give us some hope or info under a different ip and new sn so they wouldn't get caught. Im torn between both thoughts!

Omg, my heart skipped a beat seeing Pokerstars Steve had the last reply in this thread. But I misread and he answered the thread above this one.

I'm just surprised that pocketkings.ie going down barely got any response in this thread.

Sigh, the sound of silence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=155X0twGV08

I heard he planned to disguise himself like a fat Chris Ferguson for smooth sailing.

How hard is to read this thread everydays since ft stopped.... my god i just figure out i read this thread past 350+ days ... lol .

sicko.

:P

If I was Howard I'd show up wearing a Manson costume before I showed up as myself.

That would take some serious stones.

Do these guys still have access to the money they stole from us or has the DOJ already seized their bankaccounts and property?

Jean-Robert Bellande ‏@BrokeLivingJRB
Yes. I'm going to play the One Drop.

Hey if this is possible, i wont be surprised if we get paid by the end of the week