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View Poll Results: Do you want the AGCC to regulate the new FTP?
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1,156 56.58%
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06-06-2012 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by coolnout
still waiting for howard lederer and phil gordon bobbleheads
How about Phil Gordon and Mike Matusow?



06-06-2012 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by oneonth3run
Just saw Howard lederer with @alexdavidkim #hopehedies http://t.co/GuEBTzmn -- Mike Aron (@nonotbaxter)

~3 hours ago
and why didn't you take a picture of him down on his knees begging to pay u up?
06-06-2012 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by iampi
I wont give him No. 1, only a piece of No. 2, because that is what he is, a piece of No. 2
ICWUDT. I lol'd, TY
06-06-2012 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Fitzcat
Apparently you did: Bluff Magazine 2011 Power 20
and Ray Bitar is #15 , well **** me runnin, thanks mister for the poll from back in the day. LOL
06-06-2012 , 02:34 PM
www.pocketkings.ie does not exist anymore!

guess they can't pay for the webspace.

i am in dublin next week and was searching for their adress to make a visit.
anyone has it?
06-06-2012 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidian
www.pocketkings.ie does not exist anymore!

guess they can't pay for the webspace.

i am in dublin next week and was searching for their adress to make a visit.
anyone has it?
can this mean anything with the ps full tilt?
06-06-2012 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidian
www.pocketkings.ie does not exist anymore!

guess they can't pay for the webspace.

i am in dublin next week and was searching for their adress to make a visit.
anyone has it?
Wow!

3rd Floor, Block AD, Cherrywood Science and Technology Park, Loughlinstown, Dublin 18 01 239 3664
06-06-2012 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ShipItYo
so is it pretty safe to say its pretty much over?
did i miss something or are we still in same place as a week or two ago?
06-06-2012 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Davidian
www.pocketkings.ie does not exist anymore!

guess they can't pay for the webspace.

i am in dublin next week and was searching for their adress to make a visit.
anyone has it?
Record the visit and upload it! Maybe the parking security guard will give you an interview?
06-06-2012 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Pretty2Lose
did i miss something or are we still in same place as a week or two ago?
no and yes.
06-06-2012 , 04:04 PM
The last Lederer tweet on April, 12 2011 says:

Howard Lederer @howardhlederer
Plus Tom has apparently invested in a fine bathroom company as well!


Maybe he was predicting what would happen with our money.
06-06-2012 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Pretty2Lose
did i miss something or are we still in same place as a week or two ago?
Same place, but no news makes a lot of people ITT think the sky is falling.
06-06-2012 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Xfaulz

Maybe he was predicting what would happen with our money.
lol'd
06-06-2012 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Pretty2Lose
did i miss something or are we still in same place as a week or two ago?
we are in the same place as a year ago yes.
06-06-2012 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mondogarage
The U.S. government did not entice the criminals at FTP to steal your money. If you want to blame the congressment who inserted UIGEA into must-pass legislation, fine. But once passed, it's not the government's "fault" that DOJ enforces the law. It's the government's "job" for DOJ to enforce the law.

Look, just because you're some anarcho capitalist type who can't stand the idea that there is a functioning government, does not make everything that happens that you disagree with, the government's fault.
States (compulsory governments, as opposed to voluntary governments) create black markets through prohibition of nonviolent acts between consenting adults (indisputable fact #1). Black markets are run by sociopaths (indisputable fact #2), because violence is the only way to settle disputes given courts and lawful arbitration are not an option (indisputable fact #3). Sociopaths tend to lie, steal, and con, and never take responsibility when caught (indisputable fact #4).

So what is to blame here?

If this was a restaurant that went out of business with dirty floors, mean waitresses, and bad food you'd blame management, logically, not the peripheral causes I just listed. The ultimate cause is bad management.

So, the perpheral causes of our poker problem here are unaccountable sociopaths, those sociopaths running the black market, and the black market existing...but what then is the ultimate cause? The management...or the state, if you like, and it's prohibitions of nonviolent acts between consenting adults.

This is known as cause and effect.

To ignore the ultimate cause and blame peripheral causes is to say "I didn't shoot you, I'm over here 30 feet away with the gun. The bullet shot you, clearly." Although this may be true, that the bullet shot the victim, that is a peripheral cause, and the ultimate cause is you pulling the trigger on the gun the bullet came from originally.

You simply have follow the trail of evidence in the chain of causal events to arrive at the proper conclusion (the effectual "end of the line").

Did the state's prohibitions FORCE socipaths to run the newly created black market? No, but it certainly incentivized it in what can be called "a predictable outcome". Did the state force FTP to scam us all? No, but it certainly set in motion a set of events that made it far more probable. Did the state exaserbate the problem by then causing a run on the FTP "bank"? Yes, but that's not to say the action wasn't justified (even if the prohibition that authorized the raid, created the black market, and incentivized the sociopaths to run that market were not justified).

So is the state to blame? Ultimately, **** yes. Does that mean we're making excuses for FTP scumbags? No. Both suck my hairy yam bag. But one is the ultimate cause, the other is peripheral.

/start philosophical derail

BTW, anarchists (of the type you describe) aren't against government, their against compulsory government. We believe in self government and voluntary government as opposed to extortion (tax) and thuggery (coercion for hire) being legalized via monopolization of market demanded services (like law, defense, security, etc.).

This isn't political, it's philosophical...so...

/end philosophical derail

Last edited by Gankstar; 06-06-2012 at 06:11 PM.
06-06-2012 , 06:41 PM
Even using your philosophy, you've confused peripheral and ultimate causes. The ultimate cause for you not having your $$$ back today, is that FTP mismanaged and co-opted your money as their own. FTP is the
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restaurant with dirty floors, mean waitresses, and bad food.
I'm not going to get into a discussion with you on the proper role of government, but if you're going to claim certain terms, at least apply them correctly.
06-06-2012 , 06:45 PM
Im sure if there was bad news pstars would let us know about it! But sometimes I feel like wouldn't x full tilt employee that are getting hired from pstars come on here and give us some hope or info under a different ip and new sn so they wouldn't get caught. Im torn between both thoughts!
06-06-2012 , 07:08 PM
Omg, my heart skipped a beat seeing Pokerstars Steve had the last reply in this thread. But I misread and he answered the thread above this one.
06-06-2012 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Good Life11
Im sure if there was bad news pstars would let us know about it! But sometimes I feel like wouldn't x full tilt employee that are getting hired from pstars come on here and give us some hope or info under a different ip and new sn so they wouldn't get caught. Im torn between both thoughts!
I'm just surprised that pocketkings.ie going down barely got any response in this thread.
06-06-2012 , 07:52 PM
Sigh, the sound of silence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=155X0twGV08
06-06-2012 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by foldacedeuce
I heard that Lederer is playing in the WSOP Main Event! Has anyone else heard that and would he reach the table before someone puts him on his ass?
I heard he planned to disguise himself like a fat Chris Ferguson for smooth sailing.
06-06-2012 , 08:25 PM
How hard is to read this thread everydays since ft stopped.... my god i just figure out i read this thread past 350+ days ... lol .

sicko.

:P
06-06-2012 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bene Gesserit
Well nearly anything is possible, but I would expect to see Charles Manson at the table before Howard this year!
If I was Howard I'd show up wearing a Manson costume before I showed up as myself.

That would take some serious stones.
06-06-2012 , 08:33 PM
Do these guys still have access to the money they stole from us or has the DOJ already seized their bankaccounts and property?
06-06-2012 , 08:33 PM
Jean-Robert Bellande ‏@BrokeLivingJRB
Yes. I'm going to play the One Drop.

Hey if this is possible, i wont be surprised if we get paid by the end of the week

      
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