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03-25-2012 , 08:53 AM

#351

Disinterested

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 324

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiggertheDog

This celebrity live by a different ethos being pushed is quite offensive really.

+1, i can only hope that that argument is being pushed by kids. the thought that adults would think this is laughable.

Also guys he couldn't post for 24hr hours. Let us not forget.

03-25-2012 , 09:46 AM

#352

yonnyaus

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 685

If he doesn't post again its going to hurt him more than it hurts two plus two, by a large amount. I'm sure anytime he posts or has posted any kind of link to his site, his sites hits have gone up. I mean overall he probably owes more to twoplustwo, than twoplustwo owes to him.

03-25-2012 , 10:07 AM

#353

LOL POT-ODDS

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,064

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiggertheDog

I am astonished so many - otherwise reasonable posters - cannot see that Daniel cannot effectively be a squatter on private property. And whats worse is that he is able to pay for advertising space and chooses not to.

This celebrity live by a different ethos being pushed is quite offensive really.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yonnyaus

03-25-2012 , 10:13 AM

#354

NewLiveFish

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 481

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gigglegirl

But MM knows DN, he's met him.

These aren't the same thing. I've met several presidents of the US. I'd wouldn't say I know any of them. As MM has said several times, he met him a long time ago and hasn't spoken to him in years. I doubt MM believes he knows him at all outside of what he's read and seen.

It appears you received some conflict resolution training. I'd ask for a refund if they taught you that conflicts can be resolved by saying things publicly in the media.

03-25-2012 , 10:35 AM

#355

CGM

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 283

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewLiveFish

These aren't the same thing. I've met several presidents of the US. I'd wouldn't say I know any of them. As MM has said several times, he met him a long time ago and hasn't spoken to him in years. I doubt MM believes he knows him at all outside of what he's read and seen.

It appears you received some conflict resolution training. I'd ask for a refund if they taught you that conflicts can be resolved by saying things publicly in the media.

sick brag buddy

03-25-2012 , 11:14 AM

#356

Cynical Cracker

banned

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 129

Could someone post the link to the QJ's interview again for me please?

When I click link on page 19 of this thread, its an interview with the guy that made the all in documentary.

I can only view youtube if im linked to it for some reason anymore on my phone. I havent yet been able to hear the interview and would appreciate someone linking for me please.

03-25-2012 , 11:14 AM

#357

caseycjc

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,728

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiggertheDog

Quote:

+1, i can only hope that that argument is being pushed by kids. the thought that adults would think this is laughable.

Also guys he couldn't post for 24hr hours. Let us not forget.

Makes sense to me.

03-25-2012 , 11:18 AM

#358

caseycjc

banned

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,728

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cynical Cracker

http://quadjacks.com/2012/03/24/what...march-22-2012/

This gets me to it on my laptop, not sure it will work for your phone but give it a shot.

03-25-2012 , 12:02 PM

#359

jack492505

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,272

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiggertheDog

You're silly. Of course they can ban him if they want to. But the point is that they shouldn't.

And if you think that celebrities don't live in a much different world than "regular people" there's not much I can do to help you.

03-25-2012 , 12:27 PM

#360

Pro Playa

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 422

Mason - you come off as a total douche the way you have handled the situation....clearly, you do not possess the great people skills you speak of.

This incident just shows the underlying arrogance of this site and mods, as ive experienced it myself.

Last edited by Pro Playa; 03-25-2012 at 12:28 PM. Reason: Ps: pls dont ban me :(

03-25-2012 , 02:13 PM

#361

RedManPlus

banned

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,169

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blizzuff

Do you really think your attorney sticks around because you're a "great guy"? Maybe, but maybe the fact that he just got paid 5 figures to slap around Dutch Boyd has something to do with it.

Lawyers are almost exactly like high-end escorts...
Your lawyer is definitely not your "friend".

Give any lawyer $33,000 easy pay days...
And he'll walk your dog for you.

03-25-2012 , 04:38 PM

#362

ttwarrior1

banned

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 309

annoying crybaby is what daniel is.
You know why his 1st wife left him

03-25-2012 , 04:39 PM

#363

PSUMike1999

adept

Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,118

Quote:

Originally Posted by ttwarrior1

annoying crybaby is what daniel is.
You know why his 1st wife left him

No, why did Lori Weber leave him???

Please enlighten us!!

03-25-2012 , 06:34 PM

#364

Wilbury Twist

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6,410

All the different threads on this subject, and the only thing that sticks with me is this: Daniel Negreanu is apparently the Tiger Woods of poker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SantaCruz

Let me clarify this whole calling DN by Negreanu thing. There is no disrespect in calling him Negreanu. It is standard journalistic procedure to call people by their last names. This is actually considered a sign of respect, not disrespect. The reasoning behind this is that it is considered presumptious and a bit rude to refer to someone you don't personally know by their first name. I frequently refer to DN as Negreanu also, but certainly not out of any sense of disrespect.

SantaCruz, to spare me from looking through the different threads or thumb through all of the content on this topic, who took issue with referring to him by last name? Was it Negreanu himself? Funny that this came up at all.

For what it's worth, I work in media relations/PR. Everything you wrote in this post is exactly right, assuming this was a news article or the like. In general, the only times to use a first-name reference would be to prevent ambiguity (e.g. you're writing an article on the Mizrachi brothers) or when you're covering a Brazilian football team.

03-25-2012 , 06:58 PM

#365

ToDeepToFold

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 515

The strangest thing i am finding out after this whole situation is just how old all these guys who run and moderate 2+2 are.

What is the average age of 2+2 owners and moderators?
On the evidence of the people caught up in this incident it must be over 45 at least. This may be part of the reason that some of the moderators come off as out of touch or arrogant IMO.

P.S. my location is not an attack on moderators before the banhammer get raised

03-25-2012 , 07:02 PM

#366

CGM

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 283

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro Playa

true on both counts

but when push comes to shove, this is a business and Mason doesn't need to break out the knee-pads just because Daniel is Daniel and should be treated like royalty. This is 2+2 not FCP, and Mason doesn't have any obligation to him whatsoever

But, I do think the '57 posts' aspect of his initial reply shows you just how far out of touch he is. Trying to place a value on his 'post count' and neglecting to note his star power was a horrible analogy. Bad idea to piss off arguably the most recognizable pro in the poker world, and pretty obvious Mason has a massive ego.

However...

Mason can do whatever the **** he wants, and with 250K members the money will keep rolling in no matter what DN says or how much he cries about it. His absence here won't even make a ripple in actual traffic here, let alone the revenue stream. But with that said, If I was DN I would tell Mason to shove it, and never post here again.

moral of the story is that Mason has handled everything poorly, that is a no brainer. Yes the mods intervene here way too much, also true. The burden of this whole 'situation' lies upon the 'mod' who had the balls to ban the most famous poker player and biggest asset to our community

the checks will keep rolling in month after month after month though and Daniel not posting here (or posting here) won't make a bit of difference in the bottom line

03-25-2012 , 07:39 PM

#367

monkeylump

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I for one am planning a one day vacation from 2p2 to protest this travesty of justice!

I will 'BAN' myself from the forum for one day on April 1st.

Its free Daniel Negreanu Day!!!!!

WHO'S WITH ME?????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

in b4 ban.

03-25-2012 , 07:46 PM

#368

Cynical Cracker

banned

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeylump

In b4 this April fools joke is executed.

03-25-2012 , 08:08 PM

#369

Gigglegirl

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 548

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

I believe you're making assumptions with no foundation to make those assumptions. First, we rely on our moderators to make these kind of decisions. So when a moderator, especially one we know well, contacts me (which by the way is highly unusual since I don't normally get involved in the moderation) and explains to me what is happening, we usually go along with what the moderator recommends because we trust the moderator to be accurate. But in this case I did tell him to reduce the ban from three days to only one.

As for whether Negreanu would be posting a lot of ads if we allowed that, this is something I don't know. I've met Negreanu but hardly know him at all, and have never had any sort of real conversation with him although we did exchange some emails over ten years ago.

But I do know that when people self promote, it's our experience that if we don't stop them most (of them) will continue to do so. Now this doesn't mean that would be the case here, but we don't know that. Perhaps if I knew Negreanu better my conclusion would be the same as yours.

However, from listening to the QuadJacks show, Negreanu claimed that he did not understand our rules were being violated. But our moderator indicated to me that Negreanu had received and read the pm that was sent to him after the first post that was deleted went up, and we assumed that it should be clear to Daniel at that point in time that our rules were being violated. So I assume this is where the disconnect occurred.

Anyway, to finish, I have sent Negreanu a pm with a proposal that I think can bring all of this to a conclusion. So we'll see what happens.

Mason

PS: I want to ad one more comment. In 1987 I self-published our first book, and at that time, we were a tiny company. Today, approximately 25 years later, we have grown into a very successful publishing company as well as a successful Internet company, and during all these years, I have had to work with a lot of people. This includes 20 different authors, employees and independent contractors involved directly with 2+2, lots of people who represent other businesses that we deal with -- we've been with the same printer for 19 years and have done a huge amount of printing with them, plus they now handle our digital books as well, we've had the same account for many years, the same attorney since 1987, and so on. So I suspect that if my people skills were as bad as you proclaim, it's unlikely that all of this would have happened, or else I just got incredibly lucky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist

All the different threads on this subject, and the only thing that sticks with me is this: Daniel Negreanu is apparently the Tiger Woods of poker.

SantaCruz, to spare me from looking through the different threads or thumb through all of the content on this topic, who took issue with referring to him by last name? Was it Negreanu himself? Funny that this came up at all.

For what it's worth, I work in media relations/PR. Everything you wrote in this post is exactly right, assuming this was a news article or the like. In general, the only times to use a first-name reference would be to prevent ambiguity (e.g. you're writing an article on the Mizrachi brothers) or when you're covering a Brazilian football team.

Wilbury, it was me and it related to MMs usage in the above post.
I later said that I appreciate it's a minor point and tbh I wish now I hadn't made it. It just jarred with me at the time and I thought writing 'Daniel' or 'DN' would be both shorter and more appropriate/polite.
I 100% agree that it's not incorrect to use 'Negreanu' here. I would have used Daniel or DN but MM elected not to, which is completely fine. I was wrong to take a shot at him over it.
You're right, I'm wrong. Let's move on.

03-25-2012 , 08:40 PM

#370

omnishakira

High Troller

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 9,732

wow this thread still exist.........

03-25-2012 , 09:25 PM

#371

SantaCruz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 4,161

Gigglegirl, there is nothing really to apologize for. That isn't something everyone knows. I went to journalism school and spent many hours on that type of trivia. Mason is a publisher so I'm sure he is aware of the proper forms too. But certainly most people have better things to do with their time. I just wanted to make sure that Mason wasn't given a bad rap over that.

03-25-2012 , 09:49 PM

#372

Rapini

ragging

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,092

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeylump

in b4 ban.

03-25-2012 , 11:14 PM

#373

midwestfisherman

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 885

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byrung

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55/about-forums/

You suck at linking

03-25-2012 , 11:54 PM

#374

Cynical Cracker

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseycjc

http://quadjacks.com/2012/03/24/what...march-22-2012/

This gets me to it on my laptop, not sure it will work for your phone but give it a shot.

Ty but this doesnt work either. I need the youtube link. My phone doesnt have flash. Hauwei m860 droid 2.1 Cricket.

Could you (or anyone) put up the youtube link please?

Last edited by Cynical Cracker; 03-25-2012 at 11:59 PM.