i just can't stop laughing at that little guys fake hair

daniel has made avarage 10% return of investment over 5 tournaments he's played, which is a very decent results in such a tough field and propably not far from his actual expected ROI (assuming he is a winning player in those tournaments). Again, nothing unusual, as long as you understand what re-entries really mean.

What are the payouts for the 250k?

"@RealKidPoker: Down but not out! I will be making my return to the $250k Challenge #AussieMillions tomorrow for bullet #3 yup."

Just the 3 bullets this time then.

I have no idea either, but they have an incentive for him to go and play so it would make sense that he can get more from stars if he plays more, right? But I agree it's seems unlikely its something like stars foots the bill for any tourney he wants.....and 250k rebuys seems like past the point of where he is on his own.

depends on how many get paid but if I had to guess I'd say around 3 million+

dude he gets paid a grip wouldn't be surprise if stars is giving him free entries.

(REMEMBER HOW MUCH FTP MAJOR FACES GOT PAID AKA IVEY)

Daniel use to be a nit b4 the stars superstar status. watch high stakes back in the day. big nit no gamble. now huge ego with big payroll.

but overall he is the face of poker so big ups.

My point is that this will be scored as a $550k win for Daniel in the GPI and the various other rankings, none of which seem to take into account the number of entries that people make into these things. More generally, these super-high rollers are mostly just high stakes pros shuffling money amongst themselves, with structures that are too fast and field sizes that are too small to really say anything about who the best players are. And yet the GPI gives them huge weight, just because the prizes awarded appear to be so large.

My guess is that DN is firing so many bullets into this thing because he had such a huge year last year in big-field tournaments, but lost out on GPI POY because Schemion won a bunch of $100k tournaments with 20 players in them. So now DN feels like he needs to game that system in the same way.

I would venture to guess that if he never played another SHR event again, it wouldn't change his value to Stars at all. So, no, it doesn't make sense to me that they would incentivize him to play the 250k.

He chooses to use money in his bankroll (which consists of money won at poker and endorsement money) to play SHR events, and it's kind of mind-numbing/NVG'ish every time I read someone say "Who cares, Stars puts him in!" when that's not how it goes.

Poker is almost all skill . That's why its the same old faces at the final table each year.

Yeah, nothing to do with with the fact they're busting & rebuying 10 ****ing times.

Seriously, these rebuys r a complete joke. Bankrolled pros can just shove & splash around with anything early doors, knowing that, if it goes wrong, then can just rebuy & retry, & dominate if it goes well.

Hows an amateur supposed to compete with that?

Just another reason that the hendon mob all time money list mean pretty much nothing.

As soon as Daniel said out loud "there's no way I can go broke now", I thought ok, he is for sure going to go broke and rebuy.

Spoiler, I was right.

that is brilliant reasoning ;d So, poker isnt actually a skill game, because amateur (=less skilled) players have lower chances of winning?

On the more serious note, bankroll management is also an important skill. If you just want to gamble it up once (remember, re-entering = playing in another tournament) and dont have money to play after that, your bankroll management is poor and you are at disadvantage. Just look at Mike Matusow at any televised cash game table and you'll understand how important brm is.

e: as for all time money lists, nobody reasonable ever cared about that. Poker is about profit.

One with a billion dollar liferoll or a normal guy? The first, by buying in as many times as he feels like. The later, by never being able to fire the first bullet.

Seriously, DN says it in the first part of the video. The people buying into these events are a small group. If they like rebuys, good on them. There is no "fair measure of poker success" that is somehow being corrupted. Due to backing, staking, and deals at the FT, you have no idea about the monetary results of any live MTT player anyway.

The SHR circuit is a land of fantasy. Just enjoy the lunacy as a spectator. If you happen upon the odd $100MM in your life, then consider whether you'd like to join in or not. For the HS MTT player, either A) he's making good financial decisions as DN says they might be or B) he's speeding his own road to busto. Who are we to judge, not having access to the basic facts required to know.

FWIW, don't loan any of these guys money. They either don't need it or are a horrible risk.

We didn't all know this before? Daniel himself laid out a compelling case for how few of the top money winners on the WPT circuit were actually profitable. Yes, the money lists mean nothing. And?

Daniel himself seems to be one of the top live MTT winners over the last decade according to the GPI. Add in selling a poker site to PS and having what is believed to be a sick good sponsorship deal with PS means he's one of the more likely people to be able to afford this stuff. If he can't and is busto, would anyone actually be shocked? No. Still, that's his business. He gives a great interview. We know that for sure.

Responses are missing my point pretty hard.

Nick wealthall said it better than me in an article covering tournaments in general...



http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMaga...entry_155.aspx

I know, just reminding people.

I know DN must make a ton from Pokerstars and has done well in tournaments, but I still am shocked that he can so easily drop $1mil in just 2 tournaments. And Ike $1.1mil? There must be a hell of a lot of live cash games that we don't know about in which these guys make the bulk of their money.

Your point wasn't missed. SHR are catering to amateur players who want rebuys, so we hear. It is a different topic. The average punter doesn't buy in to them.

If you want to talk general tournament play, don't make your point in a thread about 100k and 250ks.

wow, Daniel is looking great.

By easily doubling through a splashy pro on a flush draw.

Probably isn't all of their money. Got a ****-ton of people staking a portion of their buy-ins while they cover the rest.

Gold Jerry, gold!!

That's wrong, for the GPI rankings (POY and 36 months) the result of Daniel Negreanu will be a 6th in a tournament of $20k, with 46 entries. The GPI improved its formula the 1st of january with lowering the max buy-in cap from $25k to $20k to avoid this kind of situations. Moreover, GPI points will be calculated from the number of entries, not the number of rebuy/prizepool.

negreanu trying to get player of the century back to back which theyll announce next year if he does good

Nope, he will win the GPI Award of the best spender.

Oh, didnt know that...good change!