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Cheating scandal: WPT Barcelona winner disqualified (Press conference was a level) Cheating scandal: WPT Barcelona winner disqualified (Press conference was a level)

11-06-2010 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pokouz
Details are not known yet, but the director told that they have proof on videos, have reported to the authorities and are pressing charge.

This from OP. Hopefully we get to see the video and follow up. I would expect video(s) are pretty convincing if in fact they have been given to the authorities.
I think I will reserve judgement until this runs its course (in court hopefully). Hopefully a court case will uncover the truth.

The skype call will be pretty much useless compared to this. It will obviously be full of denials, one-sided etc.. and will likely not bring out any real facts at all.
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11-06-2010 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
yamzit and Mehmet, link us to the blogs.
The blog sites are currently down. Under Construction. I have no contact to the people running the site. Ali will answer all questions at the press conference tomorrow. I cannot speak for him at the moment, for he is currently sleeping afaik.

Ask all questions at Saturday 6 pm CET 1pm ET. See you then.

EDIT: It says here http://www.pokerboom.biz/component/c...10-tag-1a.html

all questions concerning pokerb00m.eu can be forwarded to info@pokerboom.eu
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11-06-2010 , 12:36 AM
its pokerboom.eu and already closed...
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11-06-2010 , 12:40 AM
I played with the guy at the BOPC, a 1.7k euro tourney in belgium and he was just terrible. I don't see how the guy could win a wpt, seriously.
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11-06-2010 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by R*R
This from OP. Hopefully we get to see the video and follow up. I would expect video(s) are pretty convincing if in fact they have been given to the authorities.
I think I will reserve judgement until this runs its course (in court hopefully). Hopefully a court case will uncover the truth.

The skype call will be pretty much useless compared to this. It will obviously be full of denials, one-sided etc.. and will likely not bring out any real facts at all.
I saw the vid and it's quite a stretch to think that changed the outcome. Just keep a eye on the guys in the future and if your playing watch your effing back, geez. If that cameraman was a stooge and was able to safely read and relay hole card info clear to 1st place of the tourney. Very clever and you guys got massive balls. Enjoy your prize money, you put in the risk and the work.
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11-06-2010 , 12:43 AM
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11-06-2010 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Yamzit
The blog sites are currently down. Under Construction. I have no contact to the people running the site. Ali will answer all questions at the press conference tomorrow. I cannot speak for him at the moment, for he is currently sleeping afaik.

Ask all questions at Saturday 6 pm CET 1pm ET. See you then.

And here I thought this guy was out of work now...

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11-06-2010 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozzytiger
I saw the vid and it's quite a stretch to think that changed the outcome. Just keep a eye on the guys in the future and if your playing watch your effing back, geez. If that cameraman was a stooge and was able to safely read and relay hole card info clear to 1st place of the tourney. Very clever and you guys got massive balls. Enjoy your prize money, you put in the risk and the work.

I wouldn't think that video is the only one made available to the authorities.
To proceed with criminal charges I would guess they have more footage. Obv that video in itself is not enough to prove anything.

Last edited by R*R; 11-06-2010 at 12:51 AM. Reason: not sure why I bothered quoting this stupid comment but you quoted me ffs. not sure why -your comment has zip to do with mine
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11-06-2010 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by APokerJoker2
Makes you wonder what else could be happening
not much at live poker, not at all mid stakes cash games. these clumsy gambits are what you will see. mainly in tournaments because it takes a lot of time and effort to put together an operation that will get returns so you need a big payoff. in huge cash games LIVE everyone knows each other and is on the lookout. even durr said he doesnt like playing against people wearing sunglasses in big live games, which is smart.

online its a different story...what else is happening? everything you can imagine, and more. all the stories of cheating leak out as a never ending drip, if one were to look at the lake of information i think they would be alarmed. does anyone think that because a scam is discovered it is no longer happening? the crooks say, "oh you caught me, ill quit and work at mcdonalds"..lol...or do they just get better at their job? (i mean justice is never served right? where is russ hamilton?)
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11-06-2010 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mehmet
Ali,yamzit,me and our lawyer we are already working on this issue.
So you're admitting that you're either Percia, or Blogger?
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11-06-2010 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DrEvil1996
And here I thought this guy was out of work now...

That's awesome!! Saddams mouthpiece! He was all over the news, then the bombs dropped and he disappeared. I think he lives in Omaha now under an assumed name.
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11-06-2010 , 12:58 AM
Never really had any information to form an opinion about Turks until Turk and Turker came on here. I'm guessing they go through life assuming all the people that take them for fools are being racist. Any judge should forgive you for being racist, if these two were your only contact with said race.

Last edited by poofinger; 11-06-2010 at 01:00 AM. Reason: Imagine you're in big trouble, and these two come to your defense
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11-06-2010 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Talk to me.
Please join the general press conference tommorow. There is a photographer in the background taking pictures of a WPT FT HU. And Ali always listens to mp3s with his cell phone. Dont see anything in those pictures.

Just add "Yamzit" to your Skype contacts and all you questions will be answered by Ali.

You rarely have the chance to talk to such a great poker player. Maybe he can also answer a few strategy questions after all accusations are finally set aside.
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11-06-2010 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Yamzit
Please join the general press conference tommorow. There is a photographer in the background taking pictures of a WPT FT HU. And Ali always listens to mp3s with his cell phone. Dont see anything in those pictures.

Just add "Yamzit" to your Skype contacts and all you questions will be answered by Ali.

You rarely have the chance to talk to such a great poker player. Maybe he can also answer a few strategy questions after all accusations are finally set aside.
You're right, I see no wires coming from his cellphone and it looks to me as if he doesn't have earbuds. Pretty weak defence imo
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11-06-2010 , 01:05 AM
@VP$IP:
The pics are small, but they do show how $Blogger looks PlayerA over the shoulder and then potentially gives a signal to Mr Ali.

Doubt these few small pictures might work as evidence though..
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11-06-2010 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Yamzit
Ali has contacted a lawyer and is going to do everything he can to prove his innocence. He is not in poker for the money but for the fame and passion. He will enter the press conference tommorow via skype with his lawyer aside him. He has already tried to reach numerous german poker journalist sites but they will not publish his announcements. This is why he hopes the publishers of PokerFirma Pokerolymp and Pokerblatt will also join the conference, instead of only reporting the accusations of the Tournament Directors.
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11-06-2010 , 01:09 AM
So you think the camera of the blogger is a new super technical device that can instantly send the picture of villains hole cards as a MMS to Alis cellphone he then looks at the pic and calls? Come on guys stop watching MacGyver and get a life. Ali is a well respected pro.
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11-06-2010 , 01:09 AM
Its was a desperation AIPF. Even 72o vs AKs AIPF it could easily go either way. If this was massive all in river bluff that got called by 10 high or something. Ok go to 2plus2 and unleash cheating rumors.

Close the thread. This Ali went all in preflop with a very good chance of losing the hand. Who ever is in charge of the security at the tourney, get your heaDS OUT OF YOUR butt and fix this issue with the crazy cameraman everywhere. People might be going to jail, big money at stake. live and reputations at stake.

BOTTOM LINE, ALL BLAME SHOULD FALL ON THE TOURNAMENT ORGANIZERS LACK OF RULES AND SECURITY. ROPE OFF THE AREA OR SOMETHING THAT WAS BS HAVING ALL THOSE PEOPLE ROAMING FREELY. WTF

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11-06-2010 , 01:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7kmXINjkYA#t=2m32s

dealer didn't push the winning hand up correctly imo. 4 cards play?
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11-06-2010 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Yamzit
Ali is a well respected pro.
Can someone well respected attest to this? Or nahhh....
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11-06-2010 , 01:15 AM
What is Mehmet's and Yamzit's relationship to Ali?
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11-06-2010 , 01:25 AM
Hmmm... slightly un related note but check out all these videos on youtube where a camera is lurking from the rail and able to see hole cards by zooming pretty clearly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AvQv...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBDFS...eature=related

The camera wouldn't have to send the message via text, all he would have to do is look in the screen to see the hole cards or take a quick silent still if he can't capture it with his own eyes in time. This would give him time to relay a signal across the table.

This incident regardless of the outcome has actually highlighted a huge problem here. Cameras and spectators should be allowed no where near the table.
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11-06-2010 , 01:30 AM
i hope everyone is clever enough to not join the skype conversation tomorrow.
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11-06-2010 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by handbag86
Hmmm... slightly un related note but check out all these videos on youtube where a camera is lurking from the rail and able to see hole cards by zooming pretty clearly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AvQv...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBDFS...eature=related

The camera wouldn't have to send the message via text, all he would have to do is look in the screen to see the hole cards or take a quick silent still if he can't capture it with his own eyes in time. This would give him time to relay a signal across the table.
Tournament organizers/security need to release a statement accepting responsibility for all this chaos because of their negligence. Apologize to the players and promise to address these issues in the future.
Easy game.
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11-06-2010 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Yamzit
The blog sites never existed. Currently being created.
FYP
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