me too): Netherlands
UB --> Neteller: April 22nd requested; 24th approved; nothing received yet.

A few people here (myself included) received 1st $250 payment and it's possible that some got a second $250 also earlier this week (although it's not clear from their posts if it's 1st or 2nd payment). I sent AP an e-mail on Wednesday asking why my 2nd $250 payment was late - I have yet to receive a reply which is not that surprising considering that they got rid of most of their staff. Trying to use Live Chat gives me this: "Your message has been received. Thank you for contacting us, we will get back to you shortly."

im Australian and i got my 1st 250 a week cashout to my money bookers account, i requested a 2nd cashout of 250 about 4 days ago and its still pending

but i heard they raised the cashout to:
$1000 for visa transactions
$500 all other transactions


can anyone confirm this???

I know, I tried to use Live Chat a dozens of times and left several messages @ chat and by email. Till now haven't received any response.

I'm from Australia and my withdrawal request of $200 has been pending for 2 weeks. I requested the money to be paid to mt moneybookers a/c. I don't know why some withdrawals are approved and some aren't for non us players.

wow cant even get a response by email now wtf. they need to hire at least one person to handle it but i would imagine they're getting flooded with ******ed questions.

I got two emails answered, but it took them 6 days.

It doesn't look good for AP/UB now...

Thx for that, thats just what we need, another person saying it doesnt look good.

second attempt at posting this - 1st went into the ether

UK Player
22/4 $250 request (first request of $1,100 on 18/4 rejected on 21/4)
23/4 authorised
29/4 $250 requested - had to contact on-line help to point out it was 7 days since previous request
5/5 $250 in my Neteller account

Current position
$250 pending - I don't know which one as there is no clear audit trail - the refs do not tie up
Cannot request another cashout as it says I have reached my weekly limit -tried contacting on-line support by email, but as they don't really exist any more I am not holding my breath.

Summary
1) All US players talking of chip dumping to non-US players may be barking up the wrong tree. Looks like non-US players are not getting their money either.
2) 'Land of the Free' - my arse. Thank you the US Govt for, in effect, closing down something that is perfectly legal here, with Servers etc not even in the US. Yes, I can still play on AP, but no point generating more rake when I can't cash out.
3) I have read, ad nauseum, on this thread about how AP / UB are crooks, scumbags etc. However, let's remember what triggered this situation. For non-US players this is more frustrating (well, me anyway) as the US Govt has now interefered in my life when it has got f**k all to do with them.

Before anyone gets carried away this is not in any way meant to be anti US (I did have a house there once) - it is anti the interference by the US Govt in things beyond the West and East Coast

guess with 1 person answering mails now they are on par with FT email times.

I happen to agree pretty much with all 3 points with some reservations for the 3rd.

1) Non-US players don't seem to be getting their money even at the low levels that were promised - since non-US players are only a small part of their player pool and the payout levels were set at 250/500/1000, their inability to date to meet even these is horrendous.
2)" 'Land of the Free' - my arse." 100% - I have a real dislike for US Government now.
3)Yes, primarily people's anger should be directed at US politicians. It was argued in relation to the interview with one of AP investors who used to be on the board of directors that, had it not been for UIGEA, AP would have stayed an honest operation in the first place as the board of directors was watching executives' every move. After UIGEA, as Americans, they were forced to distance themselves from the operations and this allowed the crooks to flourish.

Of course we can see now that with the way AP/UB was run, it would have most likely run into trouble eventually even without Black Friday (any event resulting in a bank run would have caused the site to struggle for survival). Still, let's not forget that the current situation is a direct result of DoJ actions which in turn resulted from UIGEA (i.e. morally conservative, illiberal and/or protectionist US politicians).

pre black friday, yes

I contacted gator.

suggest you contact this guy to assist in planning the operation

Hopefully gator/lastchances can work with mookman5, who is one of the folks that has been involved in the player initiated investigations from the onset of UB/AP scandals.

One of my friend's dad owns a resort in Antigua. I am trying to obtain information about good bankruptcy lawyers in Antigua and I will pass along that info.

The US Government might have triggered the situation, however the reason you aren't getting your money is that it is becoming more clear as time passes that Cereus didn't have sufficient funds on hand to cover player balances.

no bank in the world has liquidity on hand to withstand a 2x annual revenue fine + 90% of the players withdrawing at once, without ridiculous government assistance.

1. A poker site is not a bank. They should have the sum of players' deposits on hand.

2. Cereus has not paid a 2x annual revenue fine. They had bank accounts seized which contained player funds in transit. This should be a small fraction of the total sum of players' deposits.

Agreed, but that would be an issue between me and the company that I have chosen to do business with. As a recreational player I don't stand to lose any near what you grinders are potentially losing, and it was just profit on that site as I had a recent cash-out, but I chose to do business on that site.

Many people have alluded to ponzi schemes etc. In a way I can see the correlation (if our worst fears are realised), but in another way it is inaccurate. Ponzi schemes are illegal everywhere - here I was playing a perfectly legal game in a jurisdiction that is not covered by the US.

The current situation is dictated by a Govt that has absolutely nothing to do with me and many many players.

and should banks have sum of deposits on hand...?

Well... They're not required to...

Should is a topic for another forum.

It is common knowledge that they do not.

Do not pursue this topic. You have no idea what you could unleash.