OK, so basically were saying that Fjord the company that went bankrupt last week, is actually the controlling interest in Ub/ap

Ok Guys

I called the Southern District of US Attorneys office today, and they wouldn't let me speak directly to Preet. I did leave a message on the complaint line and shot them an email. I would URGE all of you to please do the same.

Southern District
Preet Bharara, USA*
One St. Andrews Plaza
New York, NY 10007
Web Site | Press Releases
(212)637-2200

This is the District that FTP and PS made their agreement with to facilitate US player funds, and i assume its also the district that UB/AP says they are in 'discussions' with regarding the return of player funds. Below is my email:

From Eric Hayes [email protected]
to [email protected]
date Mon, May 9, 2011 at 12:21 PM
subject Please Read: Absolute Poker Player Notice
mailed-by gmail.com
hide details 12:21 PM (6 minutes ago)
Hello,

My name is Eric Hayes and I am emailing in regards to the recent shutdown of Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet, who are owned by Blanca Gaming. I am representing thousands of players who play on the site, myself included.

Blanca Gaming has recently come out with a few statements, saying they are in 'continuing' discussions with the US Attorneys Office and DOJ to "facilitate the return of US Player Funds." We as players would simply like a confirmation from the US Attorneys Office that this is indeed true, and that you are working with Blanca to find a way to return our funds.

The players' main priority is to get their money in a safe and quick way. The DoJ did freeze some if not all bank accounts of UB/AP, some of which contain US players' money. Now because of this, the DoJ needs to find a quick way to return the US players funds. I understand that the FBI and DoJ want to get those indicted on Black Friday. But an agreement can be made with Blanca in the meantime to facilitate the return of US player funds. What can we do to speed up this process?

A quick response would be very much appreciated, again I am representing thousands of players and we are all waiting for an answer.

Thank you for your time.



Again, I URGE all of you to please email them as well and call Preet Bharara's office and try to get a convo directly with him. We need to find some answers and make sure that the US Attorneys office is working with Blanca to get our money back.

can someone clear this up: are the AP executives all fugitives now? If not all, which are?


and being fugitives, where is tommy lee jones to chase them down

I think the problem its Moneybookers as well !!
I haven't received any cent since Black friday.

Whats stakes did you use to play at Absolute? Did you pay a high amount of rake to the site?

I'm triyng to identify some "commom points" with the players who had received money from Cereus.

Sorry about my english ...

hey easy489 is their anybody in Antigua we can get in contact with to express our concerns? i doubt they're gonna be able to help us at the US Attorneys office at this point but i appreciate the effort and ill send the email

Everyone should check this out.

They are barely paying anything out I was being optimistic about players getting their funds out slowly before I read this too..

My cashout from the 24th finally got authorized and has been like that for 3days now. I really hope something is going to change tho..

r0eky -

not sure about Antigua, we'd have to get a lot more organized and get in touch with a lawyer with international experience as skullagrim has said. I think until we know for sure, i mean 100% whether we are going to get our money back or not, we need to just do what we can here in the states. If in a month or two there comes news that we aren't getting paid, we will definitely pursue legal options in Antigua and Costa Rica.

This is meant to be a better translation, by a natural Norwegian Speaker.

Hope this helps:

The company Avoine, registered in Madeira, Portugal, sold the poker business of Absolute Poker to a former Canadian Indian chief for $250MM on credit, making the American investors in Avoine formally only owners of the profits of the company. Soon Madeira Fjord, created by two Norwegian lawyers in 2007, bought Avoine for $0.10.

In March 2011, 40% of investors in Madeira Fjord sought public investigation, claming the company has failed to comply with Norwegian and international legistation for tax, company and accounting.

The lawyers Bull & Co allegedly earned millions from Madeira Fjord, despite the company officially not having money. They claim not to know who has paid them, only that it has arrived through various US banks. They are now allegedly working on moving Madeira Fjord out of Norway, without the actual values in Madeira Fjord (ie Absolute Poker) coming under scrutiny. Bjørn Blix of Bull & Co claims the company has always complied with Norwegian law and good legal practice.

if you go back to those old posts (post 36 in the above quote-within-a-quote excerpt) that identify Cereuserick, among other "UB Shills"-- that person was just a UB employee named Erick who supervised the prop program for UB.

To address a concern that UB used shills (employees to boost new games)-- I dont think they did. They used props (players using their own money to start new tables and in return they get a better rakeback deal than the average player. Also prop players have to play during specific hours, follow certain rules, and log X amount of hands). Most sites do this...not an indication of corruption in and of itself.

You seem to have confused two issues there. 1. UB shilling on 2+2 and 2. UB activities on their own site.

The link showed UB using shill posters on 2+2, and wasn't talking about their prop players on their actual site, the official UB employees linked in post 36 were so that Bobo could show how he knew that the posters he linked to before them in posts 25,33 and 35 were posting from the same place.

There was no discussion, and as far as I'm aware never has been, of UB using shills to play in their games. Since they had props it's not as if they needed to. So I'm not sure where you got that idea from, sorry.

Some good news:

I requested a 500$ payout on Friday through EcoCard. The money arrived on my account there today!

4 days is not bad, even before Black Friday a lot of sites were slower.

I probably just got lucky, but wanted to share the good news.

Wow, big day for me today - got my 2nd $250 (2 weeks+ wait) and even got my e-mail answered from a week ago. AP is spoiling me.

gd news for sure

http://jgarywise.com/2011/05/new-pre...yer-contracts/

All ub pros been fired they were all American sounds like they are pulling out of the US market for realz. Good news for Non US players imo

Was that ever in question? They got kicked out, not pulled out.

Norwegian tax authorities today announced that they are initiating an audit of Madeira Fjord

Statement from Madeira Fjord's law firm (Norwegian):

http://www.bullco.no/aktuelt/bokette...ra_fjord_as/no

Google translated:

Tax East has today announced Bull & Co. that they want to conduct a tax audit of Bull's former client, Madeira Fjord AS. In connection with this after sight, the Tax East requested that Bull makes available all its documents related to Madeira Fjord.

On the basis of the FBI campaign against U.S. gaming companies before Easter, and the last days of media attention around Madeira Fjord, the Bull understanding of the Tax east want to implement such a tax audit. The documents Tax east has prompted contains a great deal of information we have about confidentiality, and we cooperate with the Tax east to find a practical procedure to solve this problem. Initially, the documents were handed Tax east today decided handled in a manner that safeguards this consideration.

Tax east has also requested a number of documents that are or have been in the Bull & Co's custody or possession, including any records. We have referred Tax east of Madeira Norwegian Fjords accountants and auditors.

It is emphasized that østs Tax audits only include company Madeira Fjord, not Bull & Co Lawfirm AS.

News link (also Norwegian):

http://e24.no/lov-og-rett/bokettersy...fjord/20055652

I'm from the US, and a cashout that was processed before Black Friday still hasn't gotten to me. Any other Americans have this issue?

If you read that carefully, you will see that UB/AP are claiming that money was stolen from them, not that they stole money. They are not admitting financical irregularities on their own part, they are alleging them on the part of others.

you're the only one

they are still letting us players play for real money i mean LOL

Lol @ money on ub being called "real money"

true

If some people are still getting $250 a week, it sounds to me like they are paying out whatever positive cash flow they can prudently pay out from the continuing but limited action on AP/UB. I think this adds some weight to the idea that much of the player's money is in accounts that are tied up as a result of the ongoing issues. I just see no reason to pay out anything if there wasn't some goodwill effort to make players whole.

I'm a Canadian using insta-debit. I've had 4 cashouts since BF. $200, $250, $250 and $500. We'll see how long it lasts for, but at least it's something. Maybe they really do want to hang on to their non-US customers.

doubt this.
transaction histories please?