He's 1800 blitz on chess.com https://www.chess.com/member/charliecarrel

That's not bad ar all. Not exactly unreachable either, but I have seen smart people fail badly when trying chess.

In general I'm definitely pro chess bets, if people want to claim intellectual superiority. Polk vs Carrell would be great. It hurts your ego so much when you lose in chess, there are simply no excuses.

Comical. It would take years even assuming he had the capacity to ever do it. He is certainly arrogant enough to try though

https://clips.twitch.tv/FrailWiseFri...DBJN8NKZRmxejz

Clip from his stream today, talking about how for years he was on top of the poker world making over a million a year, with some of the highest prices on pokershares but everyone would tell him he sucks at cant beat 500z but couldn't get any bets etc etc
Mentions it multiple times during stream how hes sad no one has crossbooked action vs him


Someone in chat says he always refuses to play volume and he says "well ill play 25k hands, Im not playing 100k I have a life"


Bonus clip talking about his ego
https://clips.twitch.tv/FriendlyEste...yw1kDFNInzK4OJ

It would take years for Doug to get 1800 blitz rating on Chess.com?

i never really followed charlie more than watching a few streams of his. he seems a nice guy as well as informed poker player.

why do you all hate him? also, why do you all hate berky?

I could write a wall of text on Charlie but he's extremely egotistical and constantly talks down to everyone while taking the contrarian view point on basically every topic. Incredibly arrogant and he pedals some really suspect stuff to his 'audience'. If you disagree with any of his views you are a very 'toxic' person. I agree he is a well informed poker player and has had great results.

I have nothing poor to say about Berkey. I think he gets clowned on for using the biggest words possible in every sentence and making some 'creative' plays on live streams but he's clearly genuine and seems like a solid guy.

thanks for the response. i guess charlie is good in small doses. i got the impression that he's a nice guy who looks like he smokes a lot of weed. i guess you could say i saw myself in him

He often gets misunderstood as well by people Charlie then considers dumb, for which those people consider him to be dumb.

The 'controversial' clip about his Ego, posted by Threadlightly below...

...is basically Charlie quoting some rule of thumb of some Buddhism / Meditation book he probably recently read and liked, yet I can see how it can be perceived as being arrogant, when viewed from 'normal' society pov, where modesty and being subdued is very important for the wellbeing of everyone in the system, and rightfully so.

So in short Charlie Carrell is a bit of a free spirit, and people 'inside the matrix' don't like that.

I have absolutely no preference for either Charlie Carrel or people who just try to be 'normal'. Everyone is probably just doing their best.

He might never get there. Depends on his chess capability. If he was decent talent maybe a year if he is starting from a low level.

Don't forget that Charlie doesn't sit still while Doug is improving. The question isn't if Doug can get to 1800, the question is whether Doug can surpass Charlie (please take this on Doug, I need the money)

He is definitely a character. It's always fun to randomly check his twitter to see what new 'battle' he is fighting.


I don't know if these days he is trying to be 'normal' and act himself. I remember he did a pod with Joey many years ago and he came across genuine and very likable. Now a days nothing he says is genuine and it's delivered in a beyond arrogant way. He spent years talking about his charity and saving the world (maybe still is) and when anyone as much as asks for more information or details he just takes the 'everyone is toxic' route. He isn't the only anti-vaxer in poker, and so whatever, but reading his current twitter it's like your the dumbest dude ever if you disagree with anything he believes but its not your fault! As he sees the world from a more enlightened perspective then you or anyone else.

That's all I got on Charlie the person and I hope this challenge gets accepted as it would be fun to follow, but given his history in these spots, I would say it's a long shot it ever gets off the ground.

Sounds fair, and would be great to see someone hold him accountable for the gibberish.

ppl are willing to put up money if he agrees to a statistically significant sample, him saying he wont agree to those terms "bc he has a life" is ******ed, he just wants a flip, if he loses he says HUR DUR SAMPLE SIZE and if he wins he claims victory

i mean **** even 1bb for 100k hands is pretty generous for him, that doesnt really prove anything other than he isnt a massive whale which (i dont think) ppl are accusing him of. asking for a 25k? hand 500nl sample with no time constraint xbooked to 25/50 KEK ****ING W

This, he comes across as very bored and that he loves drama.

The things threadlightly posted that Charlie said i don't believe or remember at all. I came up around the same time as Charlie, was in Skype groups with him etc. He was initially a cash game reg who mainly played 500z and 5/10. I recall him being on the front page of top winners at 500z back in 2014-2016 or so (?) When it was all whotfru. If someone has access to that site still I'm sure you can see that he actually made quite some money in these games when you had rakeback on top.

It feels like he is making up most of the things he is saying just to create drama.

Funnily enough I find it very hard to watch him but if you watch him for only 15 minutes you get a pile of info on him talking about himself, another solid clip today after making a partypoker 1knl hu reg leave a table

https://clips.twitch.tv/ProductiveRe...cSA_5adGJu3Nfc

incase clip is deleted:

"Can i just give myself some kudos? This is going to sound a little bit egotistical, maybe, but forgive me for I have sinned - Name ONE other poker player in the history of poker who can take this much time off playing poker I have barely played the game in the past few years and sit comfortably at highstakes HU and 500z,which is one of the toughest games in the world, and just crush 500z? Instead of the highstakes regs of the world asking how they can do this and what they can learn from me they just say stupid hip(i think?) and his crystals!"


Seems despite streaming 100s of hours of a bankroll challenge, bunch of youtube videos of playing mtts+HU+500z + tournament sundays + coaching he considers himself having not played poker in years

Definitely get the impression everything he says/does is attention seeking and he feeds off the narratives of anyone hating on him or disagreeing with him is wrong / not as knowledgeable as him when it comes to poker or life/political topics so I certainly play into it lol / give him what he wants I guess

3 He said he barely played, so if he used to play 60 hours a week then playing a few hundred hours in a year is indeed barely playing, comparitivly. So many of you people take out key words when making an arguement. One word can make all the difference. He said barely played, not that he never played. Surely you realize what you did and how intellectually dishonest it is...

He was on twitch the other day Just Chatting but challenging anyone who came into chat calling him an idiot to jump onto a zoom call to explain why.

I don't agree with basically anything he says, but I think you have to respect pretty much anyone with that much conviction behind their ideologies.

Reported him for what? I dont use twitch

Streaming under the "Poker" category while not playing poker

Oh geez, seems kinda trivial to report that, he is a known poker player, why do u care

He is a troll that posts only to irritate people. A lot of his posts don't make sense. Just ignore him and your stay at these forums will be more enjoyable.

Lol you guys cant read or what? You two literally said something about reporting him for mislabeling his stream, right? So i reply, that seems kinda trivial, why do you care what label his stream is under....your reply: "herp de duuurr what? What do you mean reporting him?" Go smoke some more weed

Charlie streaming poker under "Just Chatting" is bad for the entire poker streaming community. Twitch is a rich get richer ecosystem, both for individual streamers and the games themselves. The front page for most people is ordered by viewer count.

Not sure how many viewers he gets but it might be enough to get Poker on the front page high enough where some rando is more likely to see it and check it out. Generally you have to scroll down pretty far to find the Poker streams.

It probably hurts Charlie's viewership too, but it definitely hurts other poker streamers and the poker streaming community as a whole.

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