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06-25-2015 , 03:46 PM

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I'm just gunna say that I think Brian's explanation is quite reasonable. I highly doubt that he specifically chose that account to create an unfair edge- he obviously crushed online poker under his own handle as well. Obviously the US poker regulations make playing online poker in America a chore, and it could be dangerous for a well-known player like stinger to play under his own handle from the states where he is recognizable and would need to keep a large-sized roll on the site considering the stakes he plays.

Yeah, it's totally fair on all the other HS regs who relocated. Ike, Sauce, Jungle, Ivey, Ben86, Galfond etc etc. None of those guys had any interest in staying in the US and they were all too stupid to work out how to VPN?

They all wanted to stay too but didn't want to lie or take the VPN risk so they did what was the sensible and decent option i.e relocate or don't play in the US. Stinger isn't special and open to different rules. While I personally don't consider VPN-ing to be the biggest sin ever, I think it is worse for a HS reg who has multiple more options than say the grinder making a few K per month. The poor old Stinger stuck in the US with no option but to VPN is just BS.

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06-25-2015 , 03:48 PM

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06-25-2015 , 03:52 PM

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I find it ironic that so many of you have such a strong opinion of me yet not a single one of you have shot me a PM yet. We can debate morality all you want, but there's a real sociopathic element of posting nasty things to the world while at the same time being unwilling to have a real conversation about the topic. I get the mob mentality to pile on and hate on one who is more successful than the mobsters, but just realize that in an adult world more problems are solved through real conversation than by blind hatred.

I've tried to give back to the 2+2 community and the poker community for many years, I've never turned someone down when they've asked for advice about poker strategy or whatever. It's unfortunate that many of you don't really understand or care about that. I've been on 2+2 for many years now, and I've learned a lot from this site, but I can't imagine myself continuing to try to give back publicly to a group of people who just don't get it (not talking about all of you, but seemingly the majority). Those who have made a real effort to get to know me are aware of who I am, and that's what matters. So from my perspective, it makes more sense to give back by helping these people than to post strategy advice on a forum. And like I said, I'm very good at replying to PMs.

So have a real conversation tell us why you think what you were doing was ok for you, your opponents and the poker community ?
Do you really think it's just a mob mentality when the community gets yet another black eye that you yourself brought about ?

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06-25-2015 , 03:53 PM

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06-25-2015 , 03:59 PM

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Yeah, it's totally fair on all the other HS regs who relocated. Ike, Sauce, Jungle, Ivey, Ben86, Galfond etc etc. None of those guys had any interest in staying in the US and they were all too stupid to work out how to VPN?

They all wanted to stay too but didn't want to lie or take the VPN risk so they did what was the sensible and decent option i.e relocate or don't play in the US. Stinger isn't special and open to different rules. While I personally don't consider VPN-ing to be the biggest sin ever, I think it is worse for a HS reg who has multiple more options than say the grinder making a few K per month. The poor old Stinger stuck in the US with no option but to VPN is just BS.

I realize you're being sarcastic but you're actually right in your sarcastic response, it is totally fair to them. Whether someone VPNs on their own screen name doesn't affect the players they play against in the slightest. What is the argument for why it's unfair....lower travel and housing costs? It's simply a risk vs reward scenario. If you want to VPN you can save money and live in the US but the risk is you may have your account shut down and funds seized. How do any of those things...from lower travel and housing costs to having an account seized affect any of the players you're playing against?

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06-25-2015 , 04:06 PM

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06-25-2015 , 04:08 PM

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I recognize that quote, its from the #2000 thread in HSNL where i told exactly what was going on in the big online games 7 years ago and was lambasted and yelled down by the pokah ballaz of the time only to have everything i said proven true 10x over.

What did u say was going on on those games?

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06-25-2015 , 04:09 PM

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06-25-2015 , 04:09 PM

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I've tried to give back to the 2+2 community and the poker community for many years, I've never turned someone down when they've asked for advice about poker strategy or whatever.

Thanks, Brian -- I would like some advice.

What is the best/safest way to set up a VPN, and how do I go about finding a euro fish that will sell me his/her screen name?

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06-25-2015 , 04:09 PM

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I realize you're being sarcastic but you're actually right in your sarcastic response, it is totally fair to them. Whether someone VPNs on their own screen name doesn't affect the players they play against in the slightest. What is the argument for why it's unfair....lower travel and housing costs? It's simply a risk vs reward scenario. If you want to VPN you can save money and live in the US but the risk is you may have your account shut down and funds seized. How do any of those things...from lower travel and housing costs to having an account seized affect any of the players you're playing against?

The point is he VPNed and MAed and thus wasn't under his own screen name. Kutty made the argument that it would be dangerous to VPN under his own name as he is high profile. This of course makes sense but it also makes it more dishonest that he did do it. If the guys I mentioned wanted to be as dishonest they could also MA & VPN and then everyone has false info on everyone and the whole game descends to nothing with no transparency. We might as well all play in mob run live games with a pistol in our back pockets.

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06-25-2015 , 04:15 PM

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The point is he VPNed and MAed and thus wasn't under his own screen name. Kutty made the argument that it would be dangerous to VPN under his own name as he is high profile. This of course makes sense but it also makes it more dishonest that he did do it. If the guys I mentioned wanted to be as dishonest they could also MA & VPN and then no one knows anything about anyone and the whole game descends to nothing. We might as well all play in mob run live games with a pistol in our back pockets.

This wasn't the point you made in the post I quoted. You never mentioned MAing in that post, only VPNing and it's unfairness to those that refuse to VPN. I simply argued that VPNing isn't unfair to anyone including those that refuse to do so which you didn't address or rebut.

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06-25-2015 , 04:17 PM

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Is anyone going to bring this up at the rio? Will the community make him feel uncomfortable enough to leave for the rest of the series?

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06-25-2015 , 04:20 PM

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I'm not sure if this is out of topic, but I was wondering whether the Pokerstars Pro should be held accountable by Pokerstars? I remember 2 years ago "daleroxxu" got sacked for celebrating a soccer goal at an EPT event in front of players from the other country? Compared to that, I would think withholding information about ToS breach at high stakes should be way up there on the Pokerstars black book...

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06-25-2015 , 04:20 PM

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This all would have been so much better for Hastings if he just admitted it and said he ****ed up and moved on. His responses have been so absurd and made everything way worse

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06-25-2015 , 04:21 PM

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This wasn't the point you made in the post I quoted. You never mentioned MAing in that post, only VPNing and it's unfairness to those that refuse to VPN. I simply argued that VPNing isn't unfair to anyone including those that refuse to do so which you didn't address or rebut.

Fair enough, but I had quoted Kutty where he said it would be dangerous for BH to VPN under his own name and so implying it was okay to MA as a result. My post was in response to this and the MA aspect was inherent afaiwk. I mean, it clearly wasn't standard VPNing on it's own and I presumed this went without saying.

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06-25-2015 , 04:23 PM

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This all would have been so much better for Hastings if he just admitted it and said he ****ed up and moved on. His responses have been so absurd and made everything way worse

A direct admission of guilt via twitter would have been much better from a PR standpoint but would have resulted in his stinger account getting perma banned

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06-25-2015 , 04:24 PM

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I've always found the the best response when you get caught cheating (again) is to blame the community that is discussing your cheating and explain how terrible they are because won't anyone think of the chil-err poker players!

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06-25-2015 , 04:25 PM

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Quite a few people are pointing out VPNing as a stand alone offense. I'm saying it isn't and would love to hear a solid explanation for why it should be other than...."well durrrrrr it's against the law"!!

VPNing as an offense should just be taken off the table. If people want to discuss the MAing issue that's fine but why cloud the discussion with issues that are basically irrelevant.

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06-25-2015 , 04:31 PM

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Quite a few people are pointing out VPNing as a stand alone offense. I'm saying it isn't and would love to hear a solid explanation for why it should be other than...."well durrrrrr it's against the law"!!

VPNing as an offense should just be taken off the table. If people want to discuss the MAing issue that's fine but why cloud the discussion with issues that are basically irrelevant.

Because in this instance they are totally connected. As a known HS reg he only MAed because he wanted to VPN and didn't want to give up any of his life in the US.

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06-25-2015 , 04:34 PM

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Please stop pointing out that there is cheating in online poker because then people will distrust online poker.

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06-25-2015 , 04:35 PM

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Here's a point to. If u play high stakes and no kne knows who u are is that a problem? What if I played high stakes and never let me name be known? Would I have an unfair advantGe? Just because people do know him what if he played live and we all knew he was hastings but never knew his online screen name?

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06-25-2015 , 04:38 PM

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Quite a few people are pointing out VPNing as a stand alone offense. I'm saying it isn't and would love to hear a solid explanation for why it should be other than...."well durrrrrr it's against the law"!!

VPNing as an offense should just be taken off the table. If people want to discuss the MAing issue that's fine but why cloud the discussion with issues that are basically irrelevant.

you're way off base.

he's breaking the sites T&C by playing via VPN. other americans who are not willing to break T&C are getting freerolled. euros and american transplants are getting hurt as well. seems pretty simple.

seems like the kind of logic one would use to not pay rake/taxes.

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06-25-2015 , 04:39 PM

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Wonder if Isildur would have played him had he known he was up against BH?

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06-25-2015 , 04:40 PM

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Because in this instance they are totally connected. As a known HS reg he only MAed because he wanted to VPN and didn't want to give up any of his life in the US.

Perhaps, though that argument doesn't hold as much water when you consider he told at least a handful of people it was him on the account and potentially a large % of the players he played with regularly that it was him.

I'm speaking only on offenses that actually harm the players he played against. Adding VPNing to the list of offenses doesn't make the act of MAing more or less harmful in any way, it's simply a matter of convenience that carries it's own risk for the person VPNing but doesn't add or take away anything from anyone other than the person doing it.

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06-25-2015 , 04:42 PM

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you're way off base.

he's breaking the sites T&C by playing via VPN. other americans who are not willing to break T&C are getting freerolled. euros and american transplants are getting hurt as well. seems pretty simple.

seems like the kind of logic one would use to not pay rake/taxes.

how so?

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