I can see both sides of the equity hit. Let's say the Borgata announced the day before that if there was an overlay as of 1.5 hours before the cutoff, they would hold a single table freeroll in the poker room for whoever had played the most hours of cash games in the previous 24 hours. They'd boost volume in their room and put someone in it with the overlay money. I wouldn't have an issue with that.

Now, the fact that they did it on the down low is sketchy, but the overlay money is kind of the Borgata's to use in their best interest, isn't it?

Oh, I'm sure they could and would point me to some language stating that they can basically do whatever they want.

To me it's just more evidence on what a bunch of dooshbags they really are. They only put him in after they realized it would cost them nothing and that others would be footing that bill.

I wonder if he won any relevant pots and damaged another player's stack...or maybe he busted out early and gave Stammen a boost...we will never know imo

agreed.

I have hard time believing they put him in after reg closed as was suggested above.

Aside from that, Overlay money was their money. They should be free to do with it what they want.


Pipes. I think you were one of the final 27 and still feel horrible for you all, but I guess you are suggesting that if Lusardi never brought in those chips then Stammen never wins WPT championship ? really?

butterflies just started flying out of my arse.

Even if this is true, why is this unfair? Don't the chip-lead bonuses (both cash and tournament seats) come out of that event's prizepool already?

Why do you have a hard time believing it? From all that we've seen I have an easy time believing it.

No, I was not one of the Final 27. I'm just one of the ones on here that can recognize theft and just feels likes commenting on it.

But connecting the dots, Borgata did end up letting Lusardi impact the WPT Championship in some fashion. Of course, thanks for trying to make the leap that I'm suggesting Stammen wouldn't have won.

pipes:

I've never set foot inside New Jersey or any of the Atlantic City sawdust joints (Ha! Ha!), so I really don't know much about the business ethics and business practices in that area of the country. However, I do recall reading an occasional article - some posted right here on 2+2 - concerning fairly high up executives and employees of the Borgata being caught or implicated in [allegedly] criminal activity connected to [alleged] organized crime figures. (I'm using the words "allegedly" and "alleged" in square brackets intentionally.)

In one article I vaguely recall, a group of Borgata employees or executives were fired (or may have been fired) for their involvement in some type of cheating scam that had an [alleged] direct link to an organized crime figure. This was not a one-time one-off occurrence - there is [apparently] a history of multiple incidents involving executives and/or owners of the Borgata participating in questionable activity with direct ties to alleged organized crime figures.

If the Borgata is "mobbed up," is it really a surprise what happened to the final 27? If the Borgata is mobbed up, why has the NJGCB not pulled their license - or hit them with a multi-million dollar fine as a way of discouraging association with unsavory people? Maybe I've been watching too much of the Sopranos, but the Borgata being owned and/or controlled by an organized crime family would explain a lot of things.

Just wow.

Love that imagination of yours Alan.

I don't think it's that unfathomable to suggest that Borgata higher ups are up to a lil' something on the side. Kind of expected actually in that industry. Anything else would be kind of naïve imo

The Borgata sure got a favorable ruling from the NJDGE. That's for sure.

yeah, but the phrase "organized crime" , requires a lot more than a little something on the side.

It's probably something in between.

But I don't think it takes a very vivid imagination to envision corrupt entities and people in Atlantic City, NJ

i think if they were giving out equity to the top stacks the purpose would be to avoid any dealmaking, i.e. prevent the possibility of group legal action and negative publicity by paying a few people off.

i certainly have been offered nothing more than what the dge ordered. i always thought chopping the prize pool equally 27 ways was silly but the dge felt everyone should get the same. shouldn't the borgata be giving every player their lost equity and not just a few? imo, if they are following the spirit of the dge ruling then we should all get a freeroll in a 5million tourney

Hey I'll give you that much pipes, but me and Alan have a little bit of history, so I just couldn't resist trolling him.

pinwin, email me your contact info at crustaceansteve@aol.com

Carry on then, I'm certainly not one to stand in the way of that

No, all it really takes is reading a book like, oh say, "Boardwalk Empire" by Nelson Johnson.

I read this entire thread...


LOLDONKAMENTS

Allan you just make stuff up, including the part about having a hot girlfriend.

Borgata has always been owned by either Boyd gaming or MGM or a combingation of the two.

Some of MGM's China partners are accused of Mafia connections and their may have been some vague mob connections in the early days.

If the Borgata makes poor decisions now its from corporate greed, not the mafia.

any of the 27 players remaining who have not settled with the borgata yet please send me your contact information crustaceansteve@aol.com were getting the ball rolling.

even if you cashed your check already it doesnt matter. when i say settled im talking to the chip leaders and their side deals with the borgata who signed off.

Mrdadio48,

Who are you? That email address is not a name of one of the 27.

King of Persia... He wants you to cash a check for him too

only one Steve of the 27

Pipes, can you post a picture of yourself with the tinfoil hat on?

lol, it's not his name...he is the freak offspring of a lobster and a crab