I thought that No limit bots were much harder to make than limit bots. If NL bots are already beating 5-10, then are the limit games completly overun by bots now, with just bots and amateur players playing and no human pros because they can't win with the bots in the game? Also, are bots playing and winning in the NLHE games on Pokerstars now? What % of the players if any at any given NLHE table on Pokerstars would you guess are bots from the micro stakes to the high stakes tables? Also, Barry Greenstein said about 5 years ago that bots were no threat at all to online poker.

the general consensus is that Pokerstars is at the top of the industry when it comes to bot-detection, by a considerable margin.

I dont think we will ever know what allows ps to to be so effective besides understanding the long-term problems caused and obviously taking the task seriously. Which other sites seem to be lacking.

depends on the site, my guess is that there's a lot more bots playing than the general concensus seems to think. I don't know how there couldn't be, bots are and will continue to be too difficult to stop.

bots, could be the end of online poker imo,this is the most serious threat to the industry by a longshot

I think you just described me lol

again, is it impossible to build in a firewall that prevents third party software on lets say poekr stars client? guessing all HUD hores would complain but ............

Its a very simple solution to this.

Get rid of all third party software. Pokertracker etc..

Them we can all start playing on equal terms.

This was already discussed and is the worst option. The Botmakers could simply code something similar like Pokertracker with screen capturing only for their Bots and undetectable. All Bots would play with Stats and normal players can't even detect them properly anymore

I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been suggested already. I've also posted this on the Ongame Botting thread...

What I propose next may sound crazy but hear me out. I think that a (partial) solution to this problem could be for someone to open a 'bot friendly' poker site, i.e. a real money site where it is within the rules for bots to run.

This would channel the bot traffic away from our poker sites. There would be incentives for the bot runners to go there: no risk of their roll, no effort/time needed to disguise their bots, they could run 1000 tables 24/7 if they liked.

Couple this with increased security at proper poker sites and you have a 'carrot and stick' approach rather than just the 'stick' approach that we have at the minute.

It's all about incentives - these CS geeks want to run their bots for real but there is nowhere for them to do it legally. The solution lies in making it really easy for them to run their bots somewhere other than on our poker sites as well as really difficult to run their bots on our sites.

If poker sites just make it difficult but there is no alternative then they will strive against it... and it looks like they are winning at the minute.

There'd be plenty in it for the sites too - rake from bots - human only sites with a good rep and no bots - happy players

Am I mad???

i belive that you are....cause bots are profiting because they dont tilt dont make -ev decisions and other stuff....mostly exploiting our human nature when they dont have nature they have a pattern and they play by they pattern....in the site full of bots it would be much harder for them to make money with they own kind if you know what i mean....sure some geeks that love the stuff yes....but this is a huge money income for most of them....they are not just random geeks who program the bot and wanna see how it goes bla bla....they invest allot of money in that so that they can make even more money so there is that ....

They can do it legally away from real money online games, by entering the bots into competitions between university computer science teams or something.
Most of the botters currently online aren't "geeks". They are cheats, using off-the-shelf bots in order to take money from real players.

I was going to disagree with you by pointing out that most botters are probably losing or scraping some rakeback and that off-the-shelf bots suck unmodified, but actually I'm not sure you were trying to say otherwise. Obviously the people we are worried about are a minority, are highly skilled, and due to multitabling and multiaccounting are a very big deal.

i dont know, where i should put this and i dont have much time cauz of vacation, but before full tilt closed, i noticed one player at rush nl50, who always acted SUPER fast and bet like the second, the next card has shown... even then when it was like the worst card for his range and stuff... felt really like a bot, who knew already on which card he is going to bet which amount....
i dont know, if that was a bot or maybe a bot in production cauz on things like rushpoker, we will have a very hard time finding any kind of bot and its pretty much the best place for a bot... I know, that i made a note for this guy like 'bot??', although i havent heard about bots on sites before...

just wanted to add... forget it, if its not important

If you make it difficult for bots to operate successfully, you are cutting into their profits. At a certain point it no longer makes economic sense to run them, given the risks of getting caught. Everything possible should be done to reach that point.

I think Pokerstars should send out an e-mail to all customers when they catch a bot, along the lines of: "PS has determined that screennameX is a bot and it has seized X dollars from this account." They can also publish the names of bot creators.users so that the poker playing public know who these scum are.

You forgot Everest Poker?

http://www.everestpoker.com/en/contact/email-support

Don't see an email adres on the website

Edit:

Ipoker changed there website to : http://ipoker.com/html/page/contacts

Can't Phil Ivey just bust these robots for us?

WTF... Party poker's reply:

So, I check the FAQ's and nothing about bots. PartyPoker doesn't care......

EDIT: I replied to them to thank them for "reading" my email and I get the exact same message again as a reply... someone from customer service is having fun or do they not care ?

support@rpmpokercs.com failed to email, maybe broken emailaddress?

Lazy version of the e-mail sent with a few sentences added to make it slightly more personal.

Great idea for a thread, Stake. C is for Corruption.

hmm actually the OP should read info@partypoker.com, or vip@palladiumlounge.com is another good one. i think dot net domains usually only deal with play money, not real

but that's besides the point, you're right they don't care, there has been a lot of bot evidence presented to party over the years and dozens of threads in the internet poker forum, nothing has come of it

Hello xxxxxx,

We understand your concern, we can assure you that we have taken the necessary measures to detect bots upon login to the poker software. Bots are a serious issue for us and we all we can to make sure they are not in our tables. Thank you for the email.
Sincere regards,

Alexis

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CSR, Lock Support

Public research lags behind private research in this field by about 2 to 5 years, due to motivation. In ~5 years we can see the first televised HU match, 500/1000 blinds and 200k deep, with Ivey playing a bot. (This is similar to Watson on Jeopardy.)

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Yup, there are definitly bots unt NL cashgames on Everest.