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06-29-2015 , 10:58 AM

#1601

pocket_zeros

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Originally Posted by CrazyLond

That's what I mean. Construct a range for Grandma and see how AK is doing against it, it's definitely much better than 50%. So it might be fair to say you shouldn't flip if that means a 50-50 proposition but saying a good player should never take a 65-35 preflop edge is clearly wrong.

A good player should never take a 65-35 preflop flip against a horrible player. William's chances of beating Scoot by exploiting her obvious and bad play via low-risk play was much greater than 65%. It would be like potripper flipping for his tournament life.

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06-29-2015 , 11:05 AM

#1602

whosnext

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Deep stacked vs a vastly inferior player, I don't think you seek out a 65/35 for your tournament life. And against villain's calling range I am not sure AK is 65/35.

Anyway, gg gm and hope too.

P.S. That PLO broadcast was worst of year by far due to the commentators (Tuchman included).

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06-29-2015 , 11:54 AM

#1603

CrazyLond

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You can argue that in this specific spot that you shouldn't take the AK spot and maybe you're right, it's probably close. I think that against an opponent playing a style intentionally designed to increase variance with the stacks they had, it's close, but unclear.

However, I still think it's ridiculous to say you should never take a 65-35 vs. an inferior opponent. Depending on your edge, the stack sizes and your opponent's style, it is definitely going to sometimes be correct.

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06-29-2015 , 11:59 AM

#1604

ShipIt2WinIt

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 190

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocket_zeros

So what do you do if grandma starts open shoving blind? Can't wait for KK+ w/ those blinds. Not positive but I bet getting it in with AK vs grandmas calling a 3bet shove range is better than getting it in with AK vs any random 2.

You just can't gii any better in nlhe when opp is playing that style. Props to grandma though, it's like she knew she was outclassed and picked the best possible strat she could.

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06-29-2015 , 12:02 PM

#1605

ShipIt2WinIt

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 190

Oh yea and congrats to Hope as well. I found that final table to be very interesting(esp everyone adjusting to grandma). Too bad it wasn't on the main ft with commentary.

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06-29-2015 , 01:28 PM

#1606

JoeDiego

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,820

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golden Ball

If you're interested in "real" results, it's here

The HR One Drop results will certainly straighten the "world crème de la crème" curve

If you have questions about this chart, don't hesitate to contact me (i'm the author...)

This is very good work, ty.

Are you getting the entry info from the listed Day 1 players on the WSOP updates site?

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06-29-2015 , 01:37 PM

#1607

pocket_zeros

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShipIt2WinIt

There's no reason to "get it in" pre-flop for any scenario against Grandma, AK or otherwise, except perhaps high pairs. And Grandma is not going to make an adjustment and start shoving blind/light; she did shove light a few times but those are easy to fade by just not calling.

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06-29-2015 , 02:20 PM

#1608

wheelflush

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rm81

no she got that hendon mob but no WSOp results

Dude a win is first place.

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06-29-2015 , 02:51 PM

#1609

swd805

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pocket_zeros

You are wrong, passing up on a 65% favorite to double up is a horrible play.

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06-29-2015 , 03:05 PM

#1610

highhustla

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Ya, want to take the strat elsewhere pocket_zeros? Pretty sure no one agrees with you here.

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06-29-2015 , 03:11 PM

#1611

pocket_zeros

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Quote:

Originally Posted by highhustla

Ya, want to take the strat elsewhere pocket_zeros? Pretty sure no one agrees with you here.

I think the discussion has run its course. Not surprised that only a few agree with me - that roughly correlates to MTT winning player percentage stats.

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06-29-2015 , 03:19 PM

#1612

GazzyB123

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How many BBs did she get it in for with AK? And what was the pre flop play? Thanks.

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06-29-2015 , 03:36 PM

#1613

everydaygrind

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swd805

You are wrong, passing up on a 65% favorite to double up is a horrible play.

yay black and white comparisons are always fun!

folding aces preflop is always incorrect! I love this game!

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06-29-2015 , 03:57 PM

#1614

pablito_21

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nvg appears to be trolled easily

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06-29-2015 , 04:32 PM

#1615

highhustla

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LOL http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/upda...is-down-often/

Go Ant!

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06-29-2015 , 04:47 PM

#1616

AcesAcademic

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Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 371

Anyone else also slightly surprised by the structure of this One Drop? I mean its a huge high roller with loads of pros, I would guess theyd like to play much deeper than this. Even Koon twittered that it was like a hyper-turbo. Avg is about a million now, so Avg = 25BB and chipleader has about 50BB,which is quite surprising to me.

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06-29-2015 , 04:48 PM

#1617

walkby

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Will WSOP be streaming the One Drop?

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06-29-2015 , 04:49 PM

#1618

SootedPowa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by walkby

Will WSOP be streaming the One Drop?

Its listed on the website as being on tonight w hole cards and commentary

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06-29-2015 , 04:49 PM

#1619

snitchbomb

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When it gets down to the final table, yes.

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06-29-2015 , 05:04 PM

#1620

leolauzon

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AcesAcademic

They've lost 14 of the 46 players in a little more than an hour. It seems like it's going too fast.

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06-29-2015 , 05:06 PM

#1621

beauvanlaanen

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One Drop is supposed to stream tonight? I wasn't aware it was a 2-day event. $111K turbo, Degen City...

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06-29-2015 , 05:07 PM

#1622

beauvanlaanen

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Originally Posted by AcesAcademic

The pros want a deeper and better structure, the businessmen and amateurs don't. WSOP will cater to the businessmen in these high rollers.

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06-29-2015 , 05:07 PM

#1623

SuperSwag

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In the last hour there's been tons of flips for whole stacks. It does seem rather odd for 100k.

edit: One drop is streaming after Seniors event finishes.

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06-29-2015 , 05:18 PM

#1624

pocket_zeros

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Quote:

Originally Posted by GazzyB123

How many BBs did she get it in for with AK? And what was the pre flop play? Thanks.

32BB. Scott had 2,385,000 and Williams 1,637,500 with blinds at 25K/50K/5K. Scott raised to 150K, Williams 3-bet shove 32BB. A replay of the stream can be seen at: http://www.wsop.com/videos/?vid=357. The final hand starts around 9:29:00

Last edited by pocket_zeros; 06-29-2015 at 05:29 PM.