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06-06-2014 , 06:11 PM
Imagine if time travel was possible and you could go show this 2014 Dutch interview to 2003 Dutch.

"We're gonna, like, take over the poker world!"
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06-06-2014 , 06:35 PM
Couldn't he have prevented all of this by registering the domains offshore and not have them linked to himself?
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06-06-2014 , 06:43 PM
Dutch since I've known him has always seemed like a deeply troubled individual. He has a history of some unsavory things in his distant past for sure, but it is clear that he has had a rough time the last half decade at the least and has been not in a good place. This whole thing to me felt needless and a bit harsh from Mason, and does seem like he is piling on a guy with no legs to stand on, but maybe I'm missing something about this case as I'm not well versed in domain squatting.
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06-06-2014 , 06:44 PM
Dutch Boyd. lol

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Well okay, maybe Howard Lederer.
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06-06-2014 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Amit Makhija
Dutch since I've known him has always seemed like a deeply troubled individual. He has a history of some unsavory things in his distant past for sure, but it is clear that he has had a rough time the last half decade at the least and has been not in a good place. This whole thing to me felt needless and a bit harsh from Mason, and does seem like he is piling on a guy with no legs to stand on, but maybe I'm missing something about this case as I'm not well versed in domain squatting.
Hi Amit:

As with the other poster above, you may want to go back and read the original thread started in December 2009:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...tement-660963/

and this is from my initial post in the above mentioned thread:

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After additional back and forth emails between our lawyers and Boyd, Boyd continued to refuse our demands for a full accounting of the domain and website, and refused to enter into any sort of reasonable settlement. We sent a final demand letter to Boyd letting him know that we were out of options, and that if he didn’t want to cooperate by providing the domain name data or entering into settlement negotiations, we’d have no choice but to sue him. Boyd responded to our attorneys with a two-word email: “F*** off.” We filed our suit the next day.
Best wishes,
Mason
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06-06-2014 , 07:27 PM
There's more I'd like to say but I don't care enough about the topic enough to deal with getting banned again in case I make another spelling mistake.

There's just two things I'd like to know which are the only reasons I've been following this case.

1. Did it ever come out how much traffic/revenue the site actually generated?

2. What criteria did the judge use to come up with the amount awarded to 2p2?
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06-06-2014 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 1p0kerboy
Boyd doesn't think Mason has any friends, can play a lick of poker, or is a good writer.

this seems like a pretty obvious HU4ROLLZ situation


hopefully dutch can have a good WSOP
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06-06-2014 , 07:40 PM
tweet by Daniel: Funny Video of Dutch Boyd going off on Mason Malmuth: http://www.bluff.com/news/dutch-boyd...malmuth-55352/ … love him or hate him I have to agree with a lot of what he said

OH NO!
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06-06-2014 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Everyone:

If we would have received the information we requested and a reasonable amount to cover our initial fees and costs, we would have never gone to Court. We explained this entire situation to Boyd numerous times before we filed a complaint. We gave him several chances to resolve this short of litigation, and he refused. It wasn’t our first choice to file a lawsuit, but we did what we had to do.

Best wishes,
Mason
Something that may be of value to you in your life is understanding the distinction between "have to" and "choose to." You didn't "have to" do anything, you CHOSE to.

Just like you don't "have to" get a psychiatric evaluation, that would be a chose. One I would suggest so that you get the medication you need, but again, it's a CHOICE not a "have to."

You don't "have to" take meds, but choosing to not take them has consequences associated with that.
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06-06-2014 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroRoller
There's more I'd like to say but I don't care enough about the topic enough to deal with getting banned again in case I make another spelling mistake.

There's just two things I'd like to know which are the only reasons I've been following this case.

1. Did it ever come out how much traffic/revenue the site actually generated?

2. What criteria did the judge use to come up with the amount awarded to 2p2?
1. No.

2. PM me your email and I'll send you a couple of the judge's decision.

MM
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06-06-2014 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
Something that may be of value to you in your life is understanding the distinction between "have to" and "choose to." You didn't "have to" do anything, you CHOSE to.

Just like you don't "have to" get a psychiatric evaluation, that would be a chose. One I would suggest so that you get the medication you need, but again, it's a CHOICE not a "have to."

You don't "have to" take meds, but choosing to not take them has consequences associated with that.

Do any of you kids think for yourself or do all hoodies instantly go with the herd? It's obvious based on the facts that Boyd was in the wrong and 2+2 did what it had to do to protect itself.
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06-06-2014 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BOHICA
Do any of you kids think for yourself or do all hoodies instantly go with the herd? It's obvious based on the facts that Boyd was in the wrong and 2+2 did what it had to do to protect itself.
Actually, rumor has it he's been brainwashed.
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06-06-2014 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
Something that may be of value to you in your life is understanding the distinction between "have to" and "choose to." You didn't "have to" do anything, you CHOSE to.

Just like you don't "have to" get a psychiatric evaluation, that would be a chose. One I would suggest so that you get the medication you need, but again, it's a CHOICE not a "have to."

You don't "have to" take meds, but choosing to not take them has consequences associated with that.
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06-06-2014 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
Something that may be of value to you in your life is understanding the distinction between "have to" and "choose to." You didn't "have to" do anything, you CHOSE to.

Just like you don't "have to" get a psychiatric evaluation, that would be a chose. One I would suggest so that you get the medication you need, but again, it's a CHOICE not a "have to."

You don't "have to" take meds, but choosing to not take them has consequences associated with that.
GG bro.

Last edited by 1p0kerboy; 06-06-2014 at 08:30 PM.
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06-06-2014 , 08:50 PM
This was the case of Mason suing the disabled kid Dutch mentioned. Did you ever work this out Mason?

http://www.reddit.com/r/poker/commen...lsely_sued_by/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...wsuit-1117904/

"Anthony Scocozzo doing an AMA on Reddit -HOF" is a thread on a site I don't think you can mention here. The real culprit in the suit was a frequent poster on that and related sites.

Last edited by bylaw; 06-06-2014 at 09:06 PM.
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06-06-2014 , 09:04 PM
Follow up Reddit post:

"I am Anthony Scocozzo. Proof: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/17851743/dme.PNG

Firstly, I do not condone and never have condoned going after and harassing Nick for what has happened. I wrote that Reddit post because it has been nigh on impossible to defend myself in this suit. I just wanted people to know that I am not guilty. Harassing Nick does not accomplish anything. It does not help me and does not remove this from my records. I would appreciate it if this vigilante justice nonsense stopped immediately.

Secondly, Nick is cooperative in getting this all straightened out. We will be meeting with an attorney and discussing the events in detail.

Thirdly, I believe Twoplustwo is just as wrong, if not more than Nick. Tyler Andrews was well aware that Nick made the website. Nick and I called Tyler together, months before the judgement, and explained everything. We called in hopes of getting my name removed and having the case against me settled outside of court. I have further evidence to prove Tyler Andrews and Mason Malmuth are in the wrong, which will be discussed with my lawyer.

Further details will not be discussed and I will not be taking questions."
http://www.reddit.com/r/poker/commen...hony_scocozzo/
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06-07-2014 , 12:04 AM
I don't understand why DNeg went in here and chose to make that post.

There's no need for pettiness/semantics on this. OMG HE SUCKS AT POKER!!!! (this is in reference to dutch and DN on twitter) I'm sorry you feel (or are) so inferior as a person to people that you have to use poker as a crutch to make yourself feel superior to others.

He chose to sue because if there's no consequences then people will do what dutch did (or worse wrt making $ of which I have no idea if he did or didn't). I hate those domain squatters tho **** them. He explained everything he did in this thread and why, you can read it or not (of which i'm sure you didn't/won't).

Seemed like a pretty standard suit to me, dutch had no connection to two plus two so the only explanation was that he was trying to make $ off of it. (yeah he gave it up but let's face it we all know what his reasons were for registering it in the first place) He's not making a point to dutch directly he's making a point to everyone who's even thinking of trying to do what he did.

I think have isn't a poor choice considering two plus two is a company and companies at least should be protecting their names.

Dutch strikes me as the type of guy who doesn't ever realize when he does anything wrong.
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06-07-2014 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
Something that may be of value to you in your life is understanding the distinction between "have to" and "choose to." You didn't "have to" do anything, you CHOSE to.

Just like you don't "have to" get a psychiatric evaluation, that would be a chose. One I would suggest so that you get the medication you need, but again, it's a CHOICE not a "have to."

You don't "have to" take meds, but choosing to not take them has consequences associated with that.
Mason CHOSE TO "have to" is more like it.

And I'm sure he'll do it again based on what he just did with Boyd. It was a good move. Disney, the Bruce Lee estate, the Napoleon Hill organization - these guys do the same. They choose to have to sue, often the upstarts. What Mason chose to have to do is probably legit.
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06-07-2014 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
Something that may be of value to you in your life is understanding the distinction between "have to" and "choose to." You didn't "have to" do anything, you CHOSE to.

Just like you don't "have to" get a psychiatric evaluation, that would be a chose. One I would suggest so that you get the medication you need, but again, it's a CHOICE not a "have to."

You don't "have to" take meds, but choosing to not take them has consequences associated with that.
Daniel,

Did the choice center kool-aid wear off? Is this the new and improved DNegs or the old spoiled whiny brat. I think we are seeing the real DNegs and it is bad.

Mason and several other posters in your CC thread totally pwned there so instead of continuing to post, when you no longer had any new answers, you deflect with your childish swipe and your tweets. In the process you associate yourself with one of the sleaziest characters in poker.

You were welcomed back by the members here and now you crap on our carpet. Very low class. Guess you will be scampering back to your fail forum.

Hopefully PokerStars figures out quickly that you are a liability and need to go.
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06-07-2014 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
1. Why he registered the name in the first place,

2. How much revenue he generated,

3. What other domains he may have registered with our trademarks,

4. Why he offered a name with our trademark as "for sale,"

5. How many hits he received over the more than 5 years he owned the infringing domain,

6. Where those hits were re-directed,
Assuming what Dutch said is correct, when you register a domain name, it's automatically "parked" at the registrars. The page you saw was not created by Dutch, but rather by the registrar. If anyone made any money from it, it was the registrar.

Dutch also would have no idea where the links went, or how much traffic the site received. The reason it was listed as "for sale" is because that's the default page from that particular registrar.

The page can be seen here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20060511...stwopoker.com/

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If we would have received the information we requested and a reasonable amount to cover our initial fees and costs, we would have never gone to Court. We explained this entire situation to Boyd numerous times before we filed a complaint. We gave him several chances to resolve this short of litigation, and he refused. It wasn’t our first choice to file a lawsuit, but we did what we had to do.

Best wishes,
Mason
I believe all that; definitely could see Dutch being a douche, and blowing off your requests.
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06-07-2014 , 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DNegs
Something that may be of value to you in your life is understanding the distinction between "have to" and "choose to." You didn't "have to" do anything, you CHOSE to.

Just like you don't "have to" get a psychiatric evaluation, that would be a chose. One I would suggest so that you get the medication you need, but again, it's a CHOICE not a "have to."

You don't "have to" take meds, but choosing to not take them has consequences associated with that.

Look at daniel. Daniel was an angry kid before he came to our facility and attended our life changing courses. Ever since he has become a loving, kind man that made peace with himself and others.

Choice Center



Remember, you always have a choice
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06-07-2014 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by scambuster
Daniel,

Did the choice center kool-aid wear off? Is this the new and improved DNegs or the old spoiled whiny brat. I think we are seeing the real DNegs and it is bad.

That's nothing the CC can't fix right up for another dime or so.
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06-07-2014 , 09:34 AM
CC Step 1: When making a choice...think hard before choosing to align with Dutch Boyd
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06-07-2014 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gin 'n Tonic
Excellent news, Boyd is such a scumbag.
that sums it up pretty nicely.
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06-07-2014 , 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Everyone:
Before the lawsuit was ever filed, Boyd was extremely uncooperative and needlessly aggravated the situation. He brushed off our allegations and threatened to file sanctions/motions against our attorneys if we ever brought suit. He even asked for money from Two Plus Two to "covered his redemption cost." He refused to provide complete information regarding his domains and said he wouldn’t pay us a dime to settle, calling his defense a "slam dunk" and stating that 2+2 would "look pretty stupid" if we filed. Obviously he was mistaken.
Yeah, I think Dutch forgets that he conducted a fair amount of his 'negotiations' here on twoplustwo, so you can see just how cooperative he was by searching for the thread.

You can also see his predictions for how he believed the case would pan out.
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