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05-06-2014 , 12:29 PM
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OK, I have a plan, since (long ago) I used to work with a large credit/collection outfit and would routinely collect from deadbeats and charge-offs after getting mostly default judgements by raiding their checking accounts on payday.

1. Put the judgement online for printing/viewing.

2. Put the word out there is a 5% finders fee for anyone collecting.

3. 2+2 members, bounty hunters, private eyes, fellow poker degens, out of work midgets, hookers, crackheads, etc. sweat DB all over the planet and when or if he ever binks a tourney or cash game, we follow him to the cage and GET OUR MANIES!

Who's in?
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05-06-2014 , 02:17 PM
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What a complete scumbug trying to capitalize on two+two, especially considering how much he used this forum to advertise his ponzi poker scheme too.

He lied to customers about withdrawals on this message board.

I hope Mason tries to enforce judgment.
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05-06-2014 , 02:37 PM
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Obviously you'll never see a penny because im sure he's bustoe, but still glad you won.
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05-06-2014 , 07:25 PM
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9th Circuit opinion found here: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...1/12-16694.pdf

Dutch did indeed represent himself.
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05-07-2014 , 01:46 PM
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Watch out, Boyd Gaming.
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05-07-2014 , 06:53 PM
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I'm guessing he represented himself. I remember something about him being a law student at one point.
Considering that Dutch Boyd felt that he had the right to register TWOPLUSTWOPOKER as his own domain, he probably referred to himself as Mason Malmuth throughout the proceedings.
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05-07-2014 , 07:21 PM
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Out of interest, what if the person who registered the domain name was not an American citizen?
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05-07-2014 , 08:09 PM
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Awesome! Dutch is a joker
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05-07-2014 , 08:26 PM
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Out of interest, what if the person who registered the domain name was not an American citizen?
Depends on which country. Mason's law firm is quite large and has offices and affiliates all over the world.
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05-07-2014 , 08:49 PM
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Dutch is writing a soon to be best seller. The greatest poker book ever written. Well, it's almost finished he says. He won't have any problem paying off the lawsuit. If that doesn't work out, maybe everybody here can chip in and help him pay it off. Actually I'm surprised he hasn't asked for help yet, and he deserves absolutely zero.
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05-07-2014 , 09:55 PM
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Mason,

Would you be so kind as to post a link to the district court opinion?
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05-07-2014 , 10:06 PM
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Dutch is trying to rise up the poker blacklist.
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05-07-2014 , 10:19 PM
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Mason,

Would you be so kind as to post a link to the district court opinion?
Look 8 or so posts up Howard.
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05-07-2014 , 10:32 PM
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9th Circuit opinion found here: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...1/12-16694.pdf

Dutch did indeed represent himself.
TwoPlusTwoPlusInterestPlusAttorneyFees
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05-07-2014 , 10:38 PM
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Depends on which country. Mason's law firm is quite large and has offices and affiliates all over the world.
Is Twoplustwo a worldwide trademark?

Doesn't seem impossible a start-up educational (or something) company uses two plus two in their name without having any knowledge of this twoplustwo.
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05-08-2014 , 01:53 AM
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Adding "POKER" to the end of it distinguishes this situation from a site like http://2plus2.org/
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05-08-2014 , 02:25 AM
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Is Twoplustwo a worldwide trademark?

Doesn't seem impossible a start-up educational (or something) company uses two plus two in their name without having any knowledge of this twoplustwo.
It's your responsibility as business owner to check if you violate any trademarks before you pick a name. There's databases for that.

If you you didn't check for that and the other company notices your presence, they'll send you a letter to tell you to stop doing that. Usually you pay a couple hundred bucks in attorney fees, pick a new name and move on.
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05-08-2014 , 04:06 AM
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Am I incorrect, or do you generally have to post a Judgement Bond to appeal? SO that you later can not claim you are broke
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05-08-2014 , 04:33 AM
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Looking forward to seeing how the Supreme Court rules on this.
No reason for the Supreme Court to grant cert. on this one. It is a widely held erroneous notion that simply filing an appeal to the Supreme Court means your case will be heard.
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05-08-2014 , 08:01 AM
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Look 8 or so posts up Howard.
That is the opinion of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, not the district court.

Here is a link to what I assume are the judgments of the district court that Boyd is appealing here: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/nev...9cv02318/70513 . It seems like the one that likely formed the substantive basis of this appeal was the 3/1/12 order granting partial summary judgment.

Also,

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Depends on which country. Mason's law firm is quite large and has offices and affiliates all over the world.
Surely the breadth of 2p2's copyright isn't limited or expanded by the size of the law firm 2p2 hires.
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05-08-2014 , 09:05 AM
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That is the opinion of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, not the district court.

Here is a link to what I assume are the judgments of the district court that Boyd is appealing here: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/nev...9cv02318/70513 . It seems like the one that likely formed the substantive basis of this appeal was the 3/1/12 order granting partial summary judgment.

Also,



Surely the breadth of 2p2's copyright isn't limited or expanded by the size of the law firm 2p2 hires.
TY, sir. For some reason, my work firewall is blocking access to the order granting SJ. I'll look again tonight.
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05-09-2014 , 01:57 PM
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Here ya go mason:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/dutch-b...preciate-71254
I don't understand. Mason says that he attempted to negotiate with Dutch in good faith. Dutch says that the domain had already expired (perhaps in that phase where the previous owner has the option to reup or let it go?), and he offered to give it to Mason for free.

That seems like a reasonable resolution. Is that the truth of what happened? If Dutch was demanding money for the domain, then fair enough, unleash the dogs on him. Otherwise, this seems pretty harsh.
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05-09-2014 , 02:13 PM
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How much did 2+2 get in damages?
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05-09-2014 , 02:30 PM
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I don't understand. Mason says that he attempted to negotiate with Dutch in good faith. Dutch says that the domain had already expired (perhaps in that phase where the previous owner has the option to reup or let it go?), and he offered to give it to Mason for free.
I seem to recall Mason wanting some modest sum towards his attorneys fees in settlement, and Dutch telling him to go swivel -- though I may be misremembering.

Here's a link to Mason's initial explanation of why they went to law.

Cliffs: Dutch to Mason's lawyers -- **** off.

Thread is particularly interesting for Dutchalicious's predictions of the outcome of the case.
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