"military types" not being capable of "profusely lying" is an interesting take for sure.

He may well be intentionally engaging in disinformation. Personally though, I reckon he's simply a kook.

I flipflopped many times over the years. Zondo's first mention of Roswell, i was out. CE5? Abductions? **** off


But that's the thing. It's stigma. We've literally been indoctrinated to think anything outside of our current conception of material science is automatically bogus and laughable. In that environment, it is ridiculously easy to bury significant data. To use a cliche just watch the news. If someone wants something to go away and they have a modicum of power it disappears without a fight (cough cough jeffrey epstein cough cough jimmy saville cough splutter war on terror etc etc etc times infinity). And that's before we get to the irony politics of the now.

In a world like that whether Roswell was real or not is practically moot. The fact is it could easily have been real and made to look otherwise or vice versa. And there is objectively speaking plenty of evidence either way. I think most of the skeptics I speak to simply haven't read enough about it to be frank. Failing that they just pretend it doesn't exist at all.

But the idea these agencies aren't manipulating public disourse is toast after Snowden, which makes it entirely possible to me. There's your evidence. Given we already live in a world where a tiny privileged (edit: UNELECTED) minority has a ludicrous amount of say in which way the world turns, and we note how little the public actually care about this, how difficult is it to believe there's even more conspiratorial bollocks going on than we thought?They laughed back then too. No way they're monitoring everything and manipulating the msm stf up ha ha

You know what I mean. Bullshitters are by and large easy to spot. There are plenty in the fringes of ufology. But Grusch doesn't trigger that vibe just like Fravor and Graves aren’t either. They’re too god damn earnest. They sound exactly as you’d imagine a normal person with a big ego would sound.

And underneath the facade there’s a hint of ‘**** you I saw what I saw whatever you think of me’. The veracity of righteousness.

He didn't see anything though. Just said he talked to some unnamed people who may have seen something. That amounts to a nothing burger.

So 40 separate people, of various ranks, privately colluding and hoaxing a decorated high-ranking liaison officer with fake photographs and documents of off world craft on the off chance he goes rogue and gobs out your fake propaganda is 'a nothing burger'?


Said gobshite launching an official and upheld complaint of harassment, testifying under oath to Congress and the security committee with precise names and addresses of said witnesses and even the physical location of where said material is and which companies are involved...'a nothing burger'.

Countless credible whistleblowers, all saying the same thing since Nimitz. At increasingly higher and more credible ranks. Against a backdrop of proven historical obfuscation techniques deployed by agencies programmed to lie. Hearings, whistleblower amendments. A disclosure act drafted up by the same people who are being briefed behind the scenes. Nothing?


If your definition of nothing burger is 'this is not 100% proof of aliens' you may as well just sign out of thinking altogether and wait for everyone else to solve life's mysteries for you. At the very least there's a giant and meticulous hoax going on at a scale we've never seen before and to say otherwise is wilful ignorance at this point.

It's a psy-op. For Corpus, for whatever reason, that's not something that he's willing to accept so he calls it a "nothing burger" and cals them kooks. But it is a psy-op.

I think he's a kook for endorsing Roswell and a flat out 90s hoax as genuine. An actual psyop wouldn't be endorsing such long debunked claims.
It's also meaningless if separate people claim things without a shred of evidence to back their claims up.

Actual psy-ops are capable of working in ways that run counter to the expectations of the naive.

Deep as always Lucky.

"An actual psyop wouldn't be endorsing such long debunked claims."

You didn't give me much to work with.

But it wouldn't, seriously. Still deep tho

Not sure how this is a nothing burger. But yes anyone of the claims on their own wouldn't amount to much. The truth is out there but I imagine very few people in the government even probably know what it is even is. The right hand diffidently not talking to the left hand in this situation. I imagine some of the original skunkworks guys know way more then any US Senator

Yes.

Also, there have been many billions of species on earth. Only a handful were smart enough to make a spear. Only 1 has made it to space. I'm not sure it's that common, even if a planet can sustain life.

Plus it might be that such a species almost inevitably destroys itself. If you have the capacity to travel between stars, you also developed nukes, killer viruses, many forms of environmental degradation, weapons we haven't dreamed up yet, AI, etc. 100 years from now, how easy will it be to make a weapon that can wipe out a city?

You also might get unlucky with sun spots, meteors, super volcanoes, etc.

And, as implied in 57's post, the distances might just be impossible, no matter the tech.

An alien life form evolving, surviving, having the means and will to come here, etc is a very particular scenario out of countless possibilities.

Then also, they kind of try to keep it a secret, but are really bad at it, and the government tries to cover it up, etc. and this leaves us with lots of rumors and hearsay and stories and blurry pictures and so forth for decades but proof never emerges. Uncannily, this creates the same scenario as if aliens were a figment of popular imagination.

The aliens came all this way not to conquer us or help us, Or if they do help us, it's not by like telling us the cure for cancer, but by appearing in the visions of people who've taken drugs and telling them that we're all one.

Or they've been here all along.

We didn't 'discover' microbes until the 17th century; a mere hearbeat ago in earth's lifespan. It is entirely possible we've misconstrued our apparent alpha position as being absolute when it is anything but. And constructed our own satisfying physics to support our delusion.

It's not just one person. Perhaps if it were just this one guy who happens to believe in Roswell and bigfoot then you'd have a point because his credibility would be shot, but in this case there are a number of people pushing UFOs. Having some of them believe in some of the wackier stuff (which I have no idea how Roswell is supposed to be debunked or why that matter at all in the first place or why any true UFO believer would even believe that it was debunked) might actually help with what they're trying to do.

Ya never know.

I read a good book by Dale Allison, a Princeton professor of... biblical history or something. It was about religious experience. There are good interviews with him on YouTube.

He makes a number of interesting arguments that these experiences, including his own, could have something to do with a greater reality.

Maybe so. Maybe we are only aware of a small slice of reality.

I don't think there's a good case that we are being visited by ETs though.

chillrob has been alien abducted at least 5x

Well it's nothing new. As has been mentioned itt, such claims have been made before, always with zero evidence to support them. So currently it's a nothing burger, especially when mentioning a 90s hoax and cases such as Roswell as genuine.

Again already covered itt and a psyop still wouldn't endorse proven previous hoaxes or Roswell.

How do you know this?

Why would it?

At last we agree

It's a simple question: how do you know that a psy-op couldn't involve one single participant (out of dozens) claiming that Roswell was legit?

So is mine- again why would it?

Ok so you have no answer because you're just making stuff up.