Multiple prisoners at an all women's prison in NJ are pregnant. Love is beautiful even when it is behind bars. I know a lot of people thought that men would try to fake being trans women to be housed with women, but that isn't happening here. Only 3.5% of the all women's prison are transwomen.

Some antitrans prisoners are suing because trans women are being treated fairly: "Two Edna Mahan prisoners filed a lawsuit last year seeking to end New Jersey’s gender identity policy for prisons, claiming they were harassed by trans inmates and that transgender inmates were having sex with female prisoners."

However, it isn't just some of the cis women who are unpersoning (this word is brought to you by mr mctrollson) these trans women as even the guards are getting on the transphobia. "We opposed this policy change believing it would be detrimental to the general population of female inmates being housed at Edna Mahan and also bring added stress to our correctional police officers assigned to this institution," the union's president told NJ.com.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nj-inmate...112415372.html

Hard to follow your post but the article is crystal clear.

Despite the many facts we know, such as 'Hetero cis women who are incarcerated eagerly will participate in consensual sex with most cis males (prison staff) who offer it, but at least have access to condoms', we will have certain left leaning activists argue 'there is nothing to see here' as they stick their fingers in their ears and cover their eyes, suggesting we should assume nothing about the future beyond what we see today.

These same people will act as if the suggestion that a criminal cis male, who has a compulsion towards sex crimes against women, would never lie and say they are trans, if they needed no surgery or drugs, because they (the criminals) fear stigma. So instead they (the sex offender criminals) would rather stay in a prison with all males, generally hostile to them for their crimes, instead of moving into an all women's facility, where their targets are captive and many will be willing.

And as this does become increasingly and predictably problematic in the future with more claims of non consensual pregnancies and crimes they refuse to acknowledge it and address while



And then when the more extreme people on the right, over react and seek to ban ALL trans people from being able to get into the appropriate prison for any reason you will see the same people caterwauling about what an injustice it is and 'look how terrible those people are putting in these draconian measures that will hurt all trans'.

And while they are correct about the far right, they will be oblivious to their role, in denying any pragmatic solutions that then triggered the far right to action. Cut, paste, repeat this sad pattern over and over again.

it is very sad, imo, that so many 'well intentioned' people on the left cannot put their more activist leanings to the side to avoid and not play their necessary part in this predictable pattern as time and again they say 'don't look at us. Just look at how deplorable the right again is'.

Dude, that was Linda Carter. Get your pop culture straight!

The above is Wonder Woman. I was talking about The Bionic Woman.

I know what you meant Laggy. I was an avid watch of both shows and got your connection of 'bio' to bionic but just took the opportunity to squeeze in a Linda Carter gif. A true natural beauty of her times. Any time.

Are we still allowed to offer such compliments these days or is that a cancelable offense?

breathtakingly wunderschland

You realize this entire narrative you have constructed where the evil left believes no male sex abuser would ever lie is entirely made up in your head, right? Like who - exactly - do you believe actually thinks this? Find someone - anyone - to quote. Nobody ITT has said this. I've never heard anyone in the trans community say it. I've never heard a left wing politician say it.

And then you turn around and try to blame the right's "overreaction" as a, well, reaction to the left thinking this outrageous thing. But that whole narrative also falls apart when you utterly fail, as you are about to do, to actually demonstrate that this is a belief the evil left holds. It isn't.

Lmao. A true gem.

Got it!

I think it's considered permissible to compliment a lady these days if you get their permission to do so first.

I'd say it is (in my opinion) a very reasonable take.

But I would also say that there is a lot of hatred towards trans people, and some of the people behind that hatred will try to use issues like these to hurt and harm those they hate. Their rhetoric will use many of the same themes, but will likely be more aimed at blaming transgender people in general. Buyer beware.

Of course some bad cis males will try to take advantage. That should not be controversial to say. No one should be attacked for saying it. And society should be able to consider some measures to protect women (both cis and trans) from that abuse.

And of course some bigots will use in rhetoric and actions many of the same themes to instead attack trans people. That should not be denied.


BUt the latter should never be weaponized against the former and yet so many on the far left do.

Just as you see uke, admit 'travel tips' are good, fine and smart to offer, you immediately see him do the left shift and then attack me based on his guess or what he says 'he thinks he sees' in the comments that might be 'slut shaming'. So he immediately he goes on the attack to try and shut down any 'travel tips' talk.. just in case.

Same as he did when I brought up 'prison safety' and the fact that cis males will abuse an open door policy where a person by declaration only (no history of trans, no surgery, no drugs) can be diverted from going to a male prison and instead go straight to a female one simply by saying the words 'I am trans'.

He has admitted he is fearful any 'criteria' put in place to prevent cis males abusing it will be weaponized against trans (some might) and thus nothing should be done and even talking about it has to be attacked.

This is what 'cancel culture' on the left looks like in one key area. This one is about making certain topics of discussion off limits. No matter your intent (protect trans and cis) this is an area that if you dare go there, understand we will label you with all our assumptions about your intent and you will be dealing with accusations of 'slut shaming', 'being anti trans', etc and good luck to you defending against that.

Many people in the middle quickly see these 'no go' areas and just avoid them, when they might otherwise offer their views. Cancel = successful.

You have this pretense that this dynamic is not a thing. That it is not in play. When it very much is and if very much understood by those who have weaponized it.

Ya but i am not interested in your gaslighting and lies.

I like that you realize your prior positions were wrong and you always try to deny them later.

Anyone can look back at the genesis of the 'Prison talk'.

I expressed one constant issue and fear. That was that Prisons should not allow any prior cis male to simply declare to be trans and then be transferred to a women's prison as that would put all women, trans and cis at threat from cis male predators.

You immediately tried to change my words instead of replying to what i said. Your tactic, is to say something true ("you realize trans women can get caught up in any such checks) as if I was arguing against that and then to proceed to argue against the position YOU MADE UP as if it is mine.

Two things can be true at the same time. I can be right that allowing this process puts all women at risk. And you can be right that some trans women may be delayed in transfer if they have no prior history. You being right about the second part (which I was never arguing) has no bearing on my first point but you always act like it does.

Until you make a post like this above where you pretend you never really held that position.

Here is the first exchange again (in spoilers), if anyone wants to see uke's lies and gaslighting.

I am trying to discuss one thing, cis male abuse and he immediately suggests it is a way to actually attack trans and will only argue that Bogeyman he is created until you see the last post I put here, which jumps to today where he is not pretending he never made such arguments.

Checkmate.

Can't be checkmate if the king isn't in check. A 2000 (literally) word post later and the simple fact remains that zero people - least of all me - have ever said this:
Your fantasies about what the evil left thinks is entirely in your head.

And yet your gaslighting and backpedaling aside your very first reply (lumped in with JK Rowling) says just that.

As always I am happy when my point sinks in with you, you realize you are wrong, and change to my point while denying your position. it is template and how things will always be. But anyone can see in the spoilers you said just that.

uke what considerations should be allowed in a case like this.



All of the crimes, including a gross sexual assault of a 10 year old girl, committed as a cis male.

After being caught and faced with jail, she declares herself a trans woman, and due to the risk a trans woman might face in jail, probation, instead of jail time is recommended by the D.A..


This person is caught laughing and mocking the system that went so easy on them and making fun of the victim.
Your position to mock the idea or even discussion of any measures to try and ensure even cis male criminals do not have to face any process to ensure they are in fact trans, out of fear that some some legitimate trans women may get caught up in it, is just not going to be tenable or acceptable to society at large. We will not accept that cis men, being put in a place where they can do real harm to women (cis and trans) is just a tradeoff we are to turn a blind eye to.

Lol. Buddy, it is just not a position of the evil left - and certainly not me - the utter fantastical nonsense that " criminal cis males would never lie and say they are trans". This is a pure figment of your imagination. You can be all hopelessly confused about me critiquing your rhetoric (jumping from an article you admitted you never read to fake trans people in prisons) but that critique is just not and can not and will not be the same thing as believing that no criminal would ever lie. No matter what you want to imagine.

This type of case should be entirely apolotical. It shouldn't be part of the culture wars. It shouldn't be used as fodder by people who attack trans people at every opportunity, or try to endlessly center the conversation on fake trans people. It shouldn't be used as part of this pattern to highlight the worst possible trans people.

Right.

So strawman aside as usual, lets all just stipulate that two seperate things can be considered and/or true.

- One is that nothing should be used as a sideline way to attack or harm real trans person.

NOW SEPERATE TO THAT

- two we should be able to discuss potential abuse by criminal cis males, without someone like you offering that strawman 'whatabout'.


So again uke, on the topic of cis male abuse ONLY, what should be done???

And i know you will NEVER address that latter question. It is simply not in you to not take every opportunity to conflate the two. To pretend the very offense to be attacked by you, is the 'raising of cis male abuse' which you believe should never be said and which you want to cancel.

I'll tell you what. If you decide to talk about a hundred trans issues where you are doing deep dives flushing out the nuances of the trans issues and spamming the thread with photos and links - but those issues are ones supporting trans people and identifying ways we can help them - then 1 out of 100 times we can pause and go deep on fake trans people in bathrooms or fake trans people in sports teams or fake trans people in prisons or whatever fake trans people issue most excites 2000 word posts from you.

Probably 1 in a 100 is a bad ratio, but I'll be magnanimous and let you have that.

Oh look, QP’s found another “fake trans” moral panic to spazz out over while actual trans people struggle with suicide, bullying, and discrimination.

Socialists regard your property as their property, but even more nefariously they regard your children as their property

A while back I mentioned one of sons favourite books, the family book, which depicts a range of different families, as an example of age appropriate ways that kids can learn about diverse worlds. It is one of the most innocuous books imaginable. So I was surprised to see it on the list of books banned at a county library: https://twitter.com/dwuhlfelderlaw/s...fNUKfTXmYP4FNQ

Also sorry, conservatives, your wives have already read 50 shades of grey five years ago. You can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

Two Toni Morrison books, a Judy Blume book - I wish I could say I was surprised. I was going to post the image of the list here, but I think the Education thread will be a better place for it. Not that this isn't a fine place to bring it up as well.