Agreed.

Even an assumption of a 10% increase in transmissivity while maintaining the current public health measures (or even relaxing them) would show a rise, albeit not to the moon.

Pick any number for the increase... 5%, 8%, 20%, etc...and the model would show an increase, with all other variables remaining constant.

Is this wrong?

I'm not a maths guy by any means, and ofc not remotely qualified to give advanced health advice or run a country. But as an average moron it would seem to me that when asked softball basic questions as in "what data was used to come to these extreme measures"...there should be some answer. Something should be responded.

I am working, so I'm not sitting here disgruntled and broke. I'm annoyed af at the smugness and now lately the extortion quarantine costs which again, no data or meaningful answer was given abt how they got to that. Yet it has cost another batch of air canada jobs. It is a pr move and like most govnt moves will only hurt average ppl.
Either lock us down hardcore and try to stamp this out, or open with compassionate measures for the vulnerable. All this half assed open close open close in ontario is a sham.

The u.s. now vaccinates more ppl in a day than we have to date. They could have us all vaccinated within abt a month. But hang in there guys, vaccines are coming!

I've been using this thread more as a rant than to provide any helpful solutions as is obv. But then again I just pay the taxes I don't collect them

I am not really concerned with the modelling though I do agree when a question with a simple question is asked it should be answered. Though on many issues this is not the way it goes with the Liberals.
I would like to see provinces more up front with their numbers on infection rates and the businesses they shut down. More of we shut down fitness centers as we had a 4/5% infection rate there.

Modelling is nothing more than projections and with the new variants tough to tell. The next 4-6 weeks will see were we go with those variants.

The USA is doing a great job and with their vaccination rate and those already infected they may achieve herd immunity as early as April. Sadly Canada has no hope of that. We may be at 4 million vaccines shipped by the end of March but will see how long it takes to get those in arms.
Here in Alberta we still have no clue how they will be administered which scares me.

Well, Canada is now the second country in the world (in an irrelevant, non-binding way) to declare the Uighur genocide a genocide.

I don't necessarily hate the outcome, but I am giving the conservatives exactly zero credit for this one. As has been quite clear for some time now, the conservatives seem to believe that their role in opposition isn't to, ya know, improve the quality of the governance of this country, but to force wedge issues they think will be politically costly to trudeau. This is no different. Does anyone ITT really believe that what is motivating the conservatives is just a real good faith sense that this is the issue now where canada needs to ignore all geopolitical costs and be a world leader on condemning China?

Instead, the conservatives have been pushing this "tough on china" viewpoint where we could solve our probems if only we just stood up to China! Let's ignore that it is hopelessly naive, or that of course we are in this geopolitical mess in a part because Canada did stand up to China and ya know has detained one of their top people for a long time. Does this help get the two michaels back one iota? Of course not. Does it help the Uigher genoicde one iota? Of course not. Does it matter that Canada joined with much of the international community (the appropriate forum) to condemn the actions even if it stopped short of using the term genocide? Of course not. But if you can force a politically embarassing vote then you win something if you are party starts with a c.

Go figure a party doing something just to look good. You do realize that Justin less than a week ago had a signed declaration on China but this was to look woke to the world stage folks like the Clooney's and elitists.
Though I am unsure why so many liberals abstained from the vote and did Justin even vote

Lets be real its what opposition parties do
Though you are right until the USA and Europe join little will be done or change will occur.

Do you not think what China is doing is Genocide?
Yes it is a complex geo-political issue as you call it. Though if no one stood up to Nazi Germany......

Politicans thru and thru.

The 2 Michaels being held is wrong.
The genocide of Uighurs is wrong.

Complex, yes, but still both are wrong.

That's what I would call it. I know there is some pushback about whether the official ICC definition has met the evidentiary standard blah blah blah but then I'm not a world leader so yes I'm happy to call it a genocide, as I've done ITT.

So this is what Trudeau says in Biden meeting

Why even say this your just insulting an administration that may be back in 4 years. If your really worried about the Geo Political Image
The funny thing about it Trump was better for Canada than Biden ever will be

lol you really do manage to find the most bizarre ways to criticize Trudeau.

Not unlike Erin O'Toole, for that matter. How ****ing embarrassing is it that the self-proclaimed future PM of Canada is...uh...making literal potty humour jokes. And I bet the lozen's of the world just lap it up and think it is SO funny.

https://twitter.com/maxfawcett/statu...widget%3DTweet

No i only care about what his stance is on the economy and climate change.
I brought up that point as you used the excuse Justin has to consider geo political ramifications in saying China is guilty of genocide. Based on that you think he would apply the same principle to our largest trading partner.

Reality is we will have an election JT will pick up a few seats but still have a minority government. I do not see O'Toole beating Trudeau. The only candidate i thought had a really great chance was Rona Ambrose

Did you seriously just compare the extremely challenging global geopolitical issue about china's genocide of the Uighur people to...uh.....ffs.....an incredibly minor offhand quip about how biden and trudeau agree on climate change issues when trump and trudeau did not?

I know you like to go all WHATABOUT but this is ridiculous, even for you.

They pale in comparisons which you are correct on Both countries seem to use trade as the punishment though.

I am just glad that Erin O'Toole's position is to stand up to China instead of being their little Bxxch

ah yes, the super brave Erin O'Toole totally is standing up to China by...uh...forcing a nonbinding irrelevant vote meant purely for partisan domestic purposes and will do nothing to help the two Michaels, if anything makes it less likely they will get out.

But at least he has his potty humour. The faithful will enjoy that.

You do realize we are in this situation because Trudeau DID stand up to China right? If he was China's little "Bxxch" as you put it, he would have released Meng ages ago. If anything, he was Trump's little Bxxch in this story doing what the Americans wanted. And heck, so too is Erin O'Toole because while Canada was the second to (unofficially) declare it a genocide, you know who the first was?

Great news. Trudeau has confirmed that yes we will get the full amount of moderna, in Q1, as promised. Pfizer was confirmed earlier. Basically Trudeau has been very clear from the beginning that it is 6M by end of Q1, and then everybody by september. That first milestone looks like it has been reached, exactly as promised. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mod...arch-1.5926453


But here's the thing. Moderna stretched us to the last possible moment. 840k of the 2M promised come in the last week? GTFO. If that number was distributed even remotely close to evenly - and I'm pretty sure we don't have a solid explanation why it wasn't - that would be more or less the vaccine gap right there.

Sadly I am scared if the provinces can handle that many vaccines.
Alberta launched its online and phone book in and it crashed and folks who phoned in got the bust signal.
They may have used the same firm that is booking International visitors into hotels

Though Alberta will be using 100's of pharmacies which is a positive

Yeah well the gong show that is the Alberta government has screwed up royally pretty much every time you turn around, no big surprise that this was part of it too. They also had screwups at the vaccinations sites were seniors were waiting outside for hours in subzero weather. Just total nonsense.

Just hang tight boys, we're still in the learning phase. Blunders and gross misconduct are to be expected this early in the game. Keep your head up, we are still learning about the virus, just hang in there!

Seriously tho some great news in ontario: retirement home deaths and cases are wayyyyy down since vaccine deployment. Just funny hearing them say it's bc of lockdowns also when it obv isn't bc deaths and cases were high until vaccines arrived. Anyways despite the constant spin doctoring, lower deaths and cases for the old and vulnerable is great news ffs

So with all the scandals surrounding the two military men and sexual complaints and what the defense minister knew and what Trudeau knew. It looks like the defense minister knew but did he do the right thing or like senior military people turn a blind eye
General Vance is Guilty we can assume that as he married someone with a lower rank.

Vassy from CBC does a great job grilling him here

https://youtu.be/PbsTRdOwwKs

Trudeau originally refused to answer the question if the defense minister warned him just the last few days he has said he was not informed.
Lets say we believe him can the defense minister survive ?

The good news keeps on rolling. Not only is Astrazenica approved, but the order pipeline has been moved up. So originally, 20M were purchased for Q2 and Q3, but we will actually be getting 500k in march from Serum Institute and a further 1.5 on top of the 20 in Q2 it sounds like.

It has been a frustrating ride with the backloaded distribution in Q1. However, let's be clear: Trudeau will now not just meet but exceed the target of 6M by end of Q1 with 6.5M unless a final delivery is screwed up. We are now in a situation where expectation for the "Everybody by Sept" benchmark will actually not just be met but most likely significantly exceeded at least in terms of procurement. The shift now is to deploying the vaccines in peoples arms, largely a provincial issue, and I'm a bit worried but actually fairly hopeful. For instance, a lot of **** was thrown at alberta for the server crash, but I actually think this is just noise and doesn't point to something longer term.

On Vance, this is a challenging one. We need more details, and I encourage the opposition to pressure to get them. It is sounding to me actually like it might well be neither trudeau nor singh who is at fault, but the privy council. This is only a slight sidestep as obviously errors at the privy council level should be thought of as equivalent to errors with trudeau even if he specifically didn't know, he sets the culture and expectations of the privy council. I'm reserving judgement for now.

CPPIB chief Mark Machin resigns after it was revealed he got COVID shot in United Arab Emirates

The tables are truly tilted.

4-tier health care?

West jet to lay off another batch of employees due to draconian travel restrictions with unproven efficacy. But hey, the good news just keeps on rolling (unless you're caught in the cross hairs of these cluster **** policies). Meanwhile u.s. carriers just pick up the slack while cdn airlines tank

I had an early morning flight yesterday and security along with all stores and restaurants were closed. I probably fly 20 times a year and it's the first time I've actually seen security closed at an international airport before. I know some flights from Fort Mac to Kelowna are in the 1100$ range currently with WestJet.

Justin appeared the MTP and as usual does a great job in front of the camera
Chuck did ask him about the poor job Canada is doing on Vaccines
https://youtu.be/Bz6UMJZ78fU

Saw a bunch of stories how bad the government is doing with the mandatory 3 day hotel stay. People are spending hours online and can not get through for a hotel and some cant even get a meal. Some are told hotels full just go home and some just giving it the middle finger

I can not see them continuing this program much longer unless its fixed.

USA up to 2.5 million vaccinations a day and 50 million doses administered and hospitalization rate at its lowest since November. They could be at herd Immunity by the end of April

This may get to the answer of if the defense minister did enough. My guess is we will have a defense minister resign


https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canad...?ocid=msedgntp