Watching the news and sorry no link

Justin Trudeau on being asked if she was fully vetted . His reply states Of course we Fully Vetted her

His Idea of Vetting ( Note to UKE this is sarcasm but may be the truth)
Justin " Sophie what about Payette?"
Sophie " Sounds good as she checks all your boxes of a woke PM"

Trudeau " Fully Vetted"

Questions for you Uke?
Do you believe she was fully vetted?
Do you not think Harper had a better selection process ?
Do you not think a apology is warranted from the PM ?

Does anyone know if this report will become public ?

Credit to the Quebec premier who wants anyone coming in on non essential travel to pay to be quarantined in a hotel by the hospital. Sounds like a solid idea
Though no one will be going to the USA in the near future with their new restrictions

Lol at how pathetic the conservatives are being. Just positively GLEEFUL. But the actual criticism is incredibly minor. Let's review what happened: an irrelevant ceremonial position whose only value is symbolism had appointed someone who has an absolutely stellar CV and great symbolism. An excellent, on the surface, choice by Trudeau. And of course Trudeau would never be the person responsible for doing the background vetting legwork. Unfortunately, this person turned out to be a massive ******* and the proper process to report and document that happened and now they are gone. All good. Let's be clear: not a single lozen post has ever before even brought up the government vetting process for appointments, this was just never perceived as an issue by lozen in any way. However, since this person turned out to be bad, suddenly we got to milk TRUDEAU SCANDAL OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG.

The answer to whether the report is going to be public is already available if one googles for 8 seconds:
Makes sense.

Lets be clear in the first post regarding this issue I clearly stated this will be a non issue for most CDN's. We will go to the polls and yes the conservatives will use this in their campaign just as the Liberals will compare Erin to Donald Trump or Jason Kenney. That is politics and again we willend up with the majority of CDN's voting for the Conservatives again and another Liberal minority

Also its not just me that says Trudeau personally selected her and even now refuses to admit he made a mistake, should apologize to all the folks that worked under her or to CDN's.
As I pointed out both him and Kenney just can not say " I made a mistake me personally" Folks respect a sincere apology

CBC also points out if she was truly vetted the signs were their and easy to find

https://youtu.be/1B0ryq2W1bo

Let’s check back in on that OTHER story line the conservatives are getting into a tizzy about, that the Pfizer delays are just this Canadian thing and everything is fine in Europe and IF ONLY TRUDEAU WOULD MAKE A PHONE CALL. Well, nope, turns out the exact issue affecting Canada is screwing everything up in Europe too: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55780431

Notice the theme hear? Whether it is utter triviality of the background check process the civil service uses for vetting one person who turned to be not great to to the extremely important like the vaccines, we begin with the assumption that Trudeau is at fault no matter what ever single time.

This is why should just ignore the braying at some point and focus your criticism on the actual policies actually being implemented.

1) The selection, IMO, shows poor decision-making by Trudeau.

2) The selection process is flawed.

Yes, it's only a "symbolic" position. Unfortunately, IMO, its just another example of politicians not doing the right thing.

Optics. Harper had a committee. Trudeau had an... interview?

(And remember, I despise all politicians)

Typical Trudeau style deflect from the current scandal. Refuse to answer the questions posted

Questions for you Uke?
Do you believe she was fully vetted?
Do you not think Harper had a better selection process ?
Do you not think a apology is warranted from the PM ?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...vant-1.5885045

A former senior employee with the Ontario government has repaid more than $11 million in COVID-19 benefits the province alleges he took fraudulently, his lawyer said on Friday.

The unproven civil claim named Sanjay Madan, who had a senior IT role and helped develop the computer application for applying and approving the benefit for families with children.

According to the lawsuit, Madan and his family opened more than 400 accounts at the Bank of Montreal between April and May. They then deposited around 10,000 cheques made out to fictitious applicants with thousands of non-existent children under the support program.

That is the beauty with most criminals - they are morons, even the ones smart enough to see a flaw in a system they can exploit. No doubt this guy could have gotten away with it for a decent amount, instead of LOL $11 million, with even a tiny bit of common sense.

Not sure what the point of your post was in terms of politics. Dumbasses like this exist for followers of all the parties, though Trumpderps definitely went way beyond what was expected from them in terms of dumbassery in 2020 with regard to putting their money behind their beliefs. Perhaps you were one of them.

All the best.

Post-hoc, its easy to criticize the outcome. On paper, she is an absolutely excellent pic, with a truly unbelievable CV, and has probably nailed every job interview she has ever had. Turns out, also a manipulative, abusive *******. **** happens, and it isn't like Trudeau would have been the guy doing due diligence in the vetting. So the actual criticism of this is really, really far down about like standard vetting procedures for non-political appointments and whether that typically would or would not include the types of things that brings up some of the warning signs from prior workforces. Ok, sure, its a good slap across the face to really make sure these vetting is lock solid in the future, but let's be clear: nobody is drawing big new conclusions about Trudeau's decision making. Their just trying to score victory laps.

I'm with you here:

Yup, it's a non issue for me too. And I'm not particularly interested in the loltastic attempts by conservatives to try and blow this up as some massive scandal and go the 20 questions for you.

3 questions actually

The reality is Trudeau believes an apology is a sign of weakness and was probably taught that by his parents.

Any real leader when asked the question by the few select reporters allowed to question him " Do you believe you owe the people that worked under Payette an apology?"
He would answer
" Yes I owe them an apology as well as Canadians an apology as I was the one who picked her and I am the one responsible to ensure the vetting is done. It is clear the vetting process did not do its job and for that I am responsible . We will strive to do better on the selection next time "

That is an apology of a leader and a man. Its a sign of strength as well that you can admit your mistakes. People respect that

I think you should apologize for things you are actually responsible for - like O'Toole's ridiculously delayed ousting of Sloan when his own caucus forced his hand, or Kenney buying a pipeline that was obvious was going to be axed in the next election. In general you seem silent about calls for apologies from conservatives. But with Trudeau, the most third hand removed things require big pubic apologies? Obviously Trudeau wasn't the person being abusive. Obviously Trudeau wasn't the guy calling references and doing background checks, I rather doubt he was involved in that process at all. On the surface his decision was a good one showing good judgement to pick someone with a stellar CV and great symbolism. The "mistake" is just so far down the list it is hard to believe anyone cares - you acknowledge most Canadians don't - unless your goal is to try and score victory laps that your enemy had bad luck with a symbolic appointee.


Also just yuck, "of a leader and a man". Get out of here with that tired, sexist expression. So gross.

For a guy that whines about my whataboutism's

If you look at my history I may be the most critical person of Jason Kenney here and more than just investing in Keystone.

As well your right the Governor General is so far down the list on Trudeaus list of bad mistakes he has made

Tired and sexist LOL I would expect a woman to apologize as well . Trudeau just shows he is nothing more than a spoiled little trust fund child

You might expect a woman to give an apology but you wouldn't say it should be like "a leader and a man". This gendered language plays into antiquating notions of masculinity and should just be avoided. Why even bring up the gender of national leaders? It's just gross.

You are, correctly, critical of Kenney. But notice crucially you did not ask him to apologize for his Keystone debacle. Why not? Why do you demand something of Trudeau on trivialities but give Kenney a pass when it is far more significant and far more his fault?

Again, you just don't know what a whataboutism is structurally. Demonstrating your inconsistencies isn't a whataboutism.

As usual, this says a LOT more about you than it does about him.

Again wrong

Im consistent both Kenney and Trudeau are incompetent and destroying their province and country respectively. Hope that is correct english as I just not as smart as you

oh wow. Lozen, I want to congratulate you. In 2000 post ITT you've finally tripped me up. I didn't perfectly remember your posting history. You won one. Lozen 1, uke_master n-1. gg wp. Now lets be clear literally everything else about your hyperbolic screeching on this triviality of uh um like vetting procedures from trudeau underlings on symbolic appointments gone wrong that suddenly becomes HE MUST APOLOGIZE LIKE A MAN THAT TRUST FUND BABY SHE IS PROBABLY HIS FRIEND is nonsense but you get that point. You did want kenney to apologize too.

Canada was settled by people who found themselves in a country that descends into a frozen wasteland for most of the year and decided “This seems OK”

ya man what were people in Toronto thinking!! They should totally have moved to Chicago cause like the other side of those lakes makes things totally different amirite

Have to work around those edges to creat markets.

https://www.oilsandsmagazine.com/new...-much-any-more

Oh look Liberals finally kick out caucus member only took a few years

https://globalnews.ca/news/7598170/l...ut-colleagues/


Funny thing pointed out if the Liberals had a proper vetting system we wouldn't have Trudeau

wow just night and day between the liberals and the conservatives here with O'Toole dragging and dragging his feat until the last minute before kicking out Sloan when his caucus was revolting. Liberals get their person out within a week.

There is actually also a really interesting subplot about the role of Sikh's in Canadian politics and how this is triggered over supports/antagonists of the Sikh nationalism movement, really doesn't touch into the normal threads of political discourse that non-Sikh's experience. Just a weird one-off basically.

It dates back to 2018 supposedly and I do not understand much of it. Links to various groups in the Sikh community??

ya me neither. my understand is that there is a group of Sikh's in India who support the creation of a Sikh state called Khalistan. So Sikh diaspora members in Canada disagree on that. Canada's official position and the position of the Liberal party is to NOT recognize Khalistan which i think is what basically every country does. Sangha basically is accusing other Sikh members of being pro-Khalistan despite them not saying that. Or at least I THINK thats the issue lol

JT going to release new travel restrictions soon, and dougie ford floats his idea of total bans from countries with new variants. I'm getting fed up with all these half ass measures. Small businesses forced to close while wal mart is packed. Ban from one country and allow flights from another. This constant kneecapping to please everybody ends up screwing most ppl. I am not for travel bans, as it is 2021 and I'm sure there are better solutions. Ban flights from sao paolo and ppl will just detour thru mexico. Problem not solved while hurting the economy. I am anxious to hear abt these new travel restrictions as I plan on continuing with my life in abt 4 months