I just don’t get this huge debat from the conservative about the economy .

Oil is a cyclical market !
Some years you do great and pay for others
Some years you do bad and get helps from others ...

We are lucky to have a nice diversification of a work force and good economic stability trough redistribution of wealth ...

Why so much troubles ,,,,, because the right wants everything and sharing nothing as usual !
It’s me me me ....

Alberta complain paying high taxes , disregarding the facts that to be paying such high taxes it means you win the highest salary but they still complain with a full belly .

I rather pay high taxes because I have a strong income than paying low taxes due to low income .

But I guess for some it is too hard to understand .

Hence no wonder some Canadian conservatives movements start to sound like their American cousins trumpsters ...

Ps: not an attack on you lozen , you are one of the good guys

Sorry, maybe wrong thread.

But when do you guys figure the Canada/USA travel ban will be removed/tweaked?

I wanna go to Washington for the Biden inauguration (Jan 20). Am I drawing dead on this? (I live in Toronto and have been to Washington several times already in the past couple years).

I think you're drawing super slim tbh

Also, what private entity is taking over trans mountain again? The only reason it's still a thing is because of the liberal government. **** people are stupid.

None as it is a stupid investment. Both Shifty and I said it should never been bought by the federal government. Just as the federal government should not bail out Bombardier or Air Canada
Though stop passing bills that make investment in our resources impossible.


Yeah the west has never shared anything

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...cks-up-the-tab

We will take your money but not your dirty oil

Lol you call an obligation an act of sharing o0...
like i said i suggest to switch the salary from Alberta workers with any other provinces, they will payed less taxes that way....
Of course the income will be lower as well....

But lets see this year and the next now, will Alberta refuse the federal moneys .... ?

"Tombe said that in the past decade, the federal government collected an average of around $20 billion each year more than it spent in the province.

But this year is a "complete reversal," the economist said, with Alberta projected to receive about $22 billion in the federal budget.

"We've never seen in recorded history a gap between spending and revenue in Alberta that large before," he said.

Duane Bratt, a political science professor at Mount Royal University, said this shows that fiscal transfers aren't a policy to "screw over" Albertans, it's just that there are more wealthy people in the province.

"The argument is that in comparison to those who believe Alberta has been getting a raw deal, that's in good times. But in bad times this shows the value of the federal government, it shows the value of the federation," Bratt said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...fers-1.5666387

Again I have said many times Alberta has been mismanaged by so many governments and that is why they get very little sympathy from the rest of Canada. Alberta needs a sales tax, restore corporate taxes to the Notley level, and eliminate the catholic school system and stop subsidizing all religous education.

Sadly until, we get even a 5% sales tax things are never going to change.

Alberta be better off on its own

i seriously doubt that with an economy diversified as yours....
Seriously, and obviously you see it, Alberta would be bankrupt in a decade the way they manage the economy over there unless an economic reboom of oil happens .

https://www.cbc.ca/history/EPISCONTE...7CH3PA1LE.html

"In the 1970s, Alberta was hit by a modern-day gold rush. Oil prices soared and adventurers flooded into the province in a frenzied hunt to strike it rich."

"But the frenzied greed of the Alberta oil boom would take its toll. By the early 1980s, too rapid expansion and a world-wide economic recession hit the industry hard.

As unpredictably as it began, the Alberta oil boom was over.

In 1982, Dome Petroleum, the country's largest oil company, avoided collapse with a last-minute bailout package with Ottawa and the banks.

Within two years, mirroring trends elsewhere in the country, unemployment in the province rose from 4 to 10 per cent. For the first time in more than a decade, Alberta had more people leaving the province than coming in. The province led the nation in housing foreclosures, bankruptcies and suicides."

"n 1986, Alberta received another economic blow when world oil price declined steeply. "

"By the mid-1990s, Alberta's fortunes were on the rise again, thanks to the fiscally responsible Ralph Klein government and higher world prices for oil and natural gas."


Without high oil price, sadly Alberta goes nowhere.
westexit is a mirage like Quebec had few decades ago.

Alberta had all the chance in the world to become hyper rich like Norway and they did not.
Always the same bad economy ideology which with time it will only get worse with oil declining in a medium term future.

Why is it a stupid investment?

You are drawing dead because there won't be a Biden inauguration. But you can fly there now, just have to self quarantine for 14 days when arriving and returning to Canada.

By the federal government. Its not the federal governments place in my opinion.

We should be able to vacation come back and as the pilot in Calgary happens have a covid test. If I had to put the over/under on the border opening Id say June 2021

I predicted Trump win in 2016 I just do not see it happening. It could be so bad that Biden is declared winner Tuesday night. Sadly a Biden America doesn't look great either.


Cant really argue with anything you said here

Fly there.

Yeah you may even return and not have a mandatory quarantine. It all depends on the customs official

So who do we got in Tuesday's election south of the border.
No question Biden will be better for Canada/USA relations. Though he will deliver Alberta another blow when he cancels Keystone. Though for Ontario he will be better for manufacturing

I have Biden winning big

I prefer a President that doesn't start any senseless wars that go on for decades and drags Canadian soldiers into them. Have the last 4 years been bad (minus COVID) in Canada, is it Trump's fault?

Trump wins this. It won't be close.

Let's see - off the top of my head:

- pulling out of the TPP
- complete incompetence when it comes to COVID
- exporting idiocy, which manifests into morons who like protesting outside of city hall about having to wear a mask
- stealing N95 masks bound for Ontario hospitals
- national security BS as it relates to steel & aluminum
- China, china, china - no way that our relationship with China is better with Trump in charge.

There's more, but what's the point: you think he's going to win in a landslide, so we'll agree to disagree.

I do not get the personal attack on Shifty. You may disagree with his policies but your no better than our neighbors to the south. You know if I have a family and work in the fracking industry or the oil industry I vote for Trump and ignore the rest.

Joe Biden will not fix all the problems the USA has which the major one is division. If they do not get the senate they are screwed as well.
Though I am curious what the future of the republican party is after this assuming he loses

Though By getting Rid of Trump you get rid of a leader:

• All about his fathers money
• Used his stance in office for him and his family to profit
• Destroyed a military officers career as he testified against him
• If you disagree with him your out of cabinet or office
• Tried to get his justice minister or AG to interfere in ongoing investigations
• Used his office to make sure his friends got big contracts

I am just glad we live in a country were none of our leaders would do that

Man the right in Canada is really in shambles these days...the new Conservative leader so far has been a flop.

They have seemingly doubled down on the Harper/Scheer plan of just yelling "Trudeau is bad" with no platform or any real policy and they are getting crushed for it.

Despite what Albertans think Trudeau is quite smart and a crafty politician....if they keep underestimating him they will be in opposition for a very long time still

sorry guys, missed the personal attack earlier.

Erin Otoole is Actually ahead of Justin Trudeau in the polls. While Justin was sexually assaulting a reporter Erin was serving his country . Justin is crafty in playing his little Bixch Jagmit as much as he can cause he knows the NDP are broke and will lose seats if an election called. Last confidence vote he gave him nothing as he knew he didn't have to.

TPP was the best way to deal with China if done correctly and not ship more auto sector jobs out of NA

TPP is a framework that allows Asia and North America to act as a bloc against China. Of course, since he told everyone he would make deals with each individual country and therefore didn't need to be in TPP, it's another misstep by Trump.

As for Shifty, I don't understand this forum's aversion to calling out bullshit and those who peddle in insincere arguments. Until it was taken over by people pandering to idiots like him, I was happy to be a member of the Conservative party - look at his arguments in support of his views: time and time again they boil down to how he feels about a topic, or better yet how "people" are feeling. Such low content posts filled with FUD and confusing facts with feelings would have gotten him banned in the strategy forums in the past (when I ac5ually did read them at least ) and they add nothing to a discussion since they're are no points to debate.

RE TPP: agree btw that's why I mentioned it in the list of things Trump screwed up for us. Want a Shifty one liner? Biden would be more likely to help Canada stand up to China and get those 2 back, while Trump is too busy serving the Chinese leader cake and getting his family deals in Beijing.

I've worked in the industry for 15+ years, have friends and past co-workers in various positions with every major company in the oil and gas industry.I have regular meetings with capital expenditure mangers from the major companies. It's a small world up here, so yes I know what the people in the industry are "feeling". I've made probably 100+ posts in the thread about the Canadian oil industry many backed up with links/facts in debates about the industry.

So do you have an argument to the post you are referring to or just personal attacks?You never replied to the actual poll results lozen posted about the perticular topic you are so upset about, that have been posted before in this thread when the topic was being discussed.

If we're doing backstories, I spend three weeks every winter in Tahoe (well until this year) with four influential members of the World Economic Forum. I've got an open invitation (that I've put off three years running) to attend and participate in second-tier seminars at Davos. I also don't believe that COVID is a nothingburger, don't believe that big rallies mean that Trump is going to win or that Alberta is "back to normal" like you've claimed. But hey, keep posting your "Feelings" and I'll give them all the due consideration that they deserve.

ps: there's a reason you're treated like lepers in the Atlantic provinces, figure it out.