Its a nasty battle no question. The violence is garbage but I get both sides argument

I was unclear what you meant by pound not realizing it was a full facility

https://youtu.be/JegOp4KRv0Q

The government should have c larified what the native fisherman’s quota is. It’s going to be minuscule compared to the industrial amount that fishermen licensed through the government take; but the lack of concrete numbers allows falsehoods and emotion to guide people’s actions.

If the best the government does now is send in the RCMP for 24/7 security, then they are shirking their duty.

I agree as how the supreme court spelled it out it was open ended. If I was a lobster fisherman and I could only harvest for a set period but the indigenous community could harvest as much as they want year round Id be upset also.

Though if I am an indigenous entrepreneur you would harvest as much as you can

That's pretty well my point: unless the ministry clarifies what the quota for them is, a lobster fisherman is going to assume that the indigenous fisherman is "harvesting as much as he can". Almost a decade of incompetence surrounding the issue.

Tell me how these two situations makes sense

Couple driving to the USA get turned around by US customs at the border so get turned around and are informed as they spent 1 minute in the USA they need to quarantine for two weeks?

I know Uke Proof https://globalnews.ca/news/7390454/c...to-quarantine/

People flying in from other countries can land in Vancouver , than get on another plane to Edmonton than transfer to a plane heading to Toronto and are required to quarantine in Toronto not the first city they land in ?

Baffling

edge cases are always weird tho. People coming from the US should quarantine, this is a good policy in general even if in an extreme edge case it seems silly. Ideally it would be great if the first city of arrival was where they did it, but it is obviously much harder to quarantine in a random city like toronto where you don't live and don't have any family etc than it is to do it in whatever your final destination, so the policy makes sense as well I think.

What? No it doesn't. Unless you think Covid's not transmitted on connecting flights, in taxis, or in airports, then allowing travelers to leave the port of entry and continue onwards before quarantining is terrible.

If they had a "rapid" testing process setup, then ideally you partner with local business to rent a block of hotel suites out long-term, where people arriving in Canada can stay while awaiting their results. Offer them at a discount to visitors and make them mandatory. I'm sure there's plenty of vacancies in hotels near airports these days.

That policy sounds effective, but just not super realistic. OK, so I agree that covid can be transmitted in connecting flights, taxis, and airports. Your policy proposal seems to be the government pays for hundreds of millions in airport adjacent hotels and forces everyone to quarantine there as opposed to quarantining in their houses. Of course they still have to go through the airport, and a short taxi ride there (and back). So if I fly to Toronto and live in Toronto the difference between quarantining in a toronto hotel vs my toronto apartment is pretty darned marginal, but obviously going to be massively protested by everyone forced to do that.

You do gain cutting out the connecting flight to Ottawa, say, but again the difference is fairly marginal here I think too. You quarantine - at government expense - for 14 days in a random city. Then you immediately get right back on a plane with people travelling domestically from Canada which sure isn't great either, do you quarantine another 14 days when you get to your home?

I can see an argument that says sure these policies are super expensive and super inconvenient but damnit we really have to do be doing absolutely everything for Covid. I could buy that argument. But if I did, we should be massively clamping down on at least a 100 other things basically putting everyone back down into lockdown again that would get more bang for their buck in terms of costing less and being less inconvenient.

Or the government could have delivered on their promise for testing. REality is you could land at the airport and get a test immediately at the travellers expense even. Than you stay at a hotel were you await your 24 hour test results and if negative on your way to your final destination. There you would be required to further quarantine till you have another test.

Remember the person is the traveller and should realise before they travel here that is the policy.
As well Canada Customs knows that person turned around at the border never left their car and give them a exemption to a 14 day quarantine

Oops I realize I missed the part about testing in Brook's post, my response was typed against the argument to quarantine for 14 days in the entry city. Yes, I agree it is much realistic policy to quarantine until test results back than for 14 days, much less burden and more realistic to actually happen.

Testing OR Quarantine for travelers has argument on both sides:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/ask-c...ions-1.5725187

Testing AND Quarantine (they are doing some trials at Pearson with the rapid tests I believe) seems better.

Yes, getting discounted hotel rooms for visitors to stay in is contingent on a system where results from a test are received within 2 days. Then, with a negative result, they'd be allowed to continue onwards to their destination, where they'd quarantine for the remainder of the 14 days.

Of course it's a system with many cracks and is in no way fool-proof. But, time and time again Canada's not attempted something because it's not perfect.

COVID is simply a number's game. If enough travelers are carrying COVID, and enough of a percentage of them will not quarantine, then you'll import cases. Back in February it would've been nice to not dismiss border closings as "less effective and feasible".

This is all shutting the barn door after the fact regardless: quick testing is most useful now, along with the acceptance that not every wine bar, bistro or hotel is going to be still in business come spring.

Bill Gates has come out and said Trumps closing the US border is why they have so many cases as everyone scrambled to get back to the USA and faced no quarantine measures. Many were carrying the virus in all likelihood .
No he is no top doctor but it is a reasonable assumption.

Other countries forced you to quarantine on your first stop 14 days. Reality is if you do not like it stay were you are.

Reality is cases will go up and testing will continue to get pushed with cold & flu season. Previous pandemics have lasted 18 months. Lets hope that is the case here.

Looks like JT will do anything to avoid any further investigation of WE even call an election.

Wow the man collected 1.4 million in speaking fees while he was a sitting MP. Kudos to him on that one .

wwwwaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh. The conservatives had months to try and make a mountain out of this mole hill. They interviewed everyone with unprecedented access. They reviewed a vast trove of documents. They swung every single punch in front of the cameras they could and ultimately nothing landed (well bill morneau punched himself, but ignoring that). Either they are the worst investigators in canadian history, or there just isn't the smoking gun they want. Oh the opposition likes to make up complete and utter nonsense - like that this 1.4 million in speaking fees disclosed BEFORE he ran for liberal leader - to try and throw anything, everything, whatever they can to make this look like there is a fire. It's sad that this tactic works, for some.

The larger issue is how much of a mistake the opposition is making. Canadians deserve a robust opposition right now. There has never been a time of such massive programming spending in so many directions so quickly. OF COURSE there are going to be mistakes there, mistakes that should be identified so we can have better policies. The opposition should be absolutely ruthless at identifying ways to improve and fix and hold the liberals feat to the fire in the hundreds of billions they are spending. However, that doesn't have to all be about "Scandals". Their myopic focus on the WE "scandal" because they think it has the tarnish of a scandal and so wanted to hammer on it endlessly might even be good politically, but it doesn't actually help make our covid-19 policies better, which is a shame.

And of course if they really are sooo convinced that WE charity is this massive scandal they act like it is, they should agree with the liberals that this committee is a confidence vote as they have lost the confidence of parliament. They should make their case to the members of parliament and force an election. If they can.

Twisting the facts. The conservatives had limited time to ask questions and than JT pro rogued government to stop them in the midst of a pandemic. What is Justin afraid of? Did he not promise transparency ?

Justin knows his personal prostitute Jagmitt does not want an election as they are broke and will lose more seats. So he continues to sell his soul for some crumbs.

I just can not see it being a wise move by JT He has the most to lose

Oh shoot, you totally bought hook, line, and sinker into the cons line here, didn't you. Nobody actually realistically thinks there is going to be a smoking gun found here. Like, Pierre Polievre doesn't want to keep up his "investigation" because he thinks he will find out some new information that finally makes his case. Justin Trudeau doesn't want to clamp down on it because he knows there is hidden information he is afraid of coming out. They had months of that, interviewed every single person extensively, vast trove of documents, etc, and literally nothing meaningful came out of all of that. So it isn't new information either side is hoping/afraid of. It is purely political at this point. If you watched any of the proceedings, it was abundantly clear the cons main goal was to soap box with their time, not to investigate new information. They want to continue it. They want to - for political reasons - endlessly talk and talk and talk about the "scandal". And the more they can cast it as "what is justin afraid of" the more they hope they can win the votes of clueless canadian middle ground people who aren't paying attention. And trudeau of course is similarly acting politically not wanting this.

What Canadians deserve is the opposition holding the feet to the fire on the other hundreds of billions of dollars of covid19 spending. This needs to be as effective, as fair, as clean as possible. I can guarantee already it won't be perfect - the timeframes are just orders of magnitude faster and bigger than normal - so the cons have their work cut out. But politically "Trudeau is in a ~*scandal*~" helps them more than "This covid19 relief policy would be better if this clause applied differently.

Of course, this whole tactic of the cons only works if there are people like you that fall for it.

welp alberta going to alberta: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...sals-1.5766570

That would be all rosie if we have not had a Prime Minister filled with scandals that he keeps lying about
Lets see First reference the sexual assault " She remembers things differently than I "
Than the SNC as for what his justice minister says. " She remembers things different than I " Than I am not apologizing for saving Quebec Jobs"
Marc Norman lied about an Admiral and trashed him only to be found again lying

So I am sure if we investigate WE fully we will hear " I did it for the children"

Trudeau's Press secretary cant avoid ethics violations either

I have been clear about this Religion should not be taught in schools period. That is what the home and church is for.
I think Alberta should eliminate the catholic system as well and have one publicly funded education system that in Social Studies teaches kids the full history of our Indigenous population including residential schooling. I never voted for Kenney I took the lesser of two evils

That's fine, but notice how you convincingly prove my point. The conservative politicians don't really care about the specifics of WE. They don't think there is some new detail their "investigation" is going to magically turn up. What they want to do is not an "investigation" that will reveal something Trudeau is "hiding", they want to make a lot of political hay. Your post could have been a polievre speech, trying to lay out some pattern of behaviours and throw as many things at trudeau hoping one will stick (although not even he stoops to the sexual assault allegation).

And remember, you don't have to trust Trudeau. Every single civil service member, PMO staffer, WE Charity member etc etc etc that the conservatives dragged into committee in their extensive, months long "investigation" all said, more or less, the same story as Trudeau. The facts are out. You can judge him a little bit or judge him a lot for not recusing himself, but there isn't much more to "investigate". When you say, "investigate WE fully", do you think the conservatives just did a completely terrible job as they interviewed absolutely every person even tangentially connected and reviewed the unprecdented trove of documents? They have found nothing yet. How much more are you realistically anticipating?

So my advice is to investigate - vigorously - the hundreds of billions of dollars of money that has been thrown out the door to tackle covid. Make that better. Make that accountable. Adjust policies that need adjusting. That is what the conservatives should focus on. Heck, they can even still investigate WE in the liberal committee policy if they really want to or some genuinely new information comes up....but I doubt it will at this point. If I'm proven wrong, so be it. And if you think not recusing himself proves sufficiently bad that you would risk the horrible, destructive policies of the conservatives instead, well that is a moral question for you to wrestle with at election time.

Well you know what they say. If you did nothing wrong let them investigate.

I am sure there is so much corruption with JT his party will soon say adios as well

Will see if Jagmit prostitutes himself again tomorrow

Update : Jagmit did prostitute himself again . His party will pay the price someday along with Corrupt JT

Why are we still talking about WE? Oh yeah because Conservatives are super butthurt that nothing came out of it.

They're lucky an election wasn't called cause they'd have gotten worked.

OK WE is done

How about Justin giving a 200 million $ ventilator contract no bid also to one his ex caucus members.

https://thepostmillennial.com/trudea...mer-liberal-mp


Im not sure about that. NDP's would not fair well, The Green Party would not fair well. It would be about weather or not Justin can buy an election or not and an overall referendum on the job he has done on Covid. . No way he gets a majority

Exactly. Which they did. For months. Dozens of interviews of absolutely everyone even the most vaguely related from minor civil servants up to the entire top of the PMO, not to mention the unprecedented trove of documents. They turned over every leaf and found out nothing new.

And to be clear - if you watched any of the proceedings - they themselves didn't think they would. The questions were just endless political showboating, not fact finding. None of what the cons are doing any more is about an "investigation". It is about trying to run up as much of a political score on this play as they can. And you bought in hook line and sinker, which of course is exactly why they want to keep pushing about this.