I mainly just read this as very empty from any substantive new ideas. Killing the trudeau era environmental protections (with no real ideas of replacing it), killing the carbon tax (with no real ideas of replacing it), he is basically going on a roof top shouting "I AM CONSERVATIVE" and adding exactly zero beyond that which wasn't priced in to any conservative running. Except for this rounding error about the temporary GST break on select industries.

Wow. Just search for his actual policy document and got sucked into the right-wing (I can only assume) Twitterverse. No wonder I find the candidates so underwhelming: the chorus they preach to is on the whole racist and willfully ignorant. I’ll just hope they’re all Russian bots and forget I read what I just did.

Ok found it. If he was able to do everything he wants, he’d be the greatest PM ever. I can’t wait to get my government pony.

Not sure I agree with his presentation. Instead of claiming “our econ9my is in tatters” his message instead needs to pair a 1 trillion dollar best with future generations. He needs to hammer home what the tax and austerity ramifications will be.

It may not be the scope of the document, but rather than promising to change the world, he should be instead looking at issues where they can siphon a small percentage of Liberal support. I think long term fiscal responsibility is one of those.

Lol you're such a socialist. The idea is to help the restaurant/hotel industry recover from this. Not everyone wants to rely on a government program for that, especially small business owners. Moving the entertainment expense deduction
to 100% will certainly help. It's similar to what the US is going to do.

Lol government "shoveling it out the door" is different than cutting taxes to let business survive and people working/spending again.

If climate change is a concern then the best thing Canada can do is bring manufacturing back from China and starting using our natural resources rather than importing from countries less environmental conscious.

Reasonable conservatives and reasonable liberals can debate the merits of a COVID-19 government assistance program that uses deficit financing for direct spending vs deficit financing for targeting tax cuts. But only raging partisans pretend that the one is "shoveling money out the door" and the other isn't. Only raging partisans pretend that that it isn't a government program. Only raging partisans act like only their approach is "letting business survive". Only raging partisans pretend the difference between those positions is the difference between capitalism and socialism.

Buddy, your posting is spiraling badly.

Absolutely they can . But only a raging partisan can call paying income tax on RRSPs that haven't been paid yet a penalty then a couple posts later say an increase in carbon tax is required to fight climate change. Only a raging partisans would love a gun ban on the back of a terrible tragedy that would have done nothing to stop the terrible tragedy.Only a raging partisans would say the personal sacrifice to fight COVID-19 should be used fight climate change and increase "political will".

Your solution to everything is government. The fact that parents might not send there kids to school totally set you off on a privileged/class attack that just isn't true, God forbid people don't rely on government to solve their problems. It's straight out of the handbook you and your commrades carry around.

Ah good idea. You post was laughably indefensible, and I'm glad you didn't attempt even a shred of defense against it. I suppose that pivoting to your tired strawmen about me was your only hope.

However, if you are really going to go that route, perhaps bring up points where you didn't get completely and utterly destroyed and then entirely ignore when you got taken down? You want to bring up your confusion about "tax penalty" again? Well then go and respond to this post, if you possibly can: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=519
Should I even continue?

In case you don’t realize, cutting tax for business create deficit for Canada anyway .
That s how the conservative we’re creating deficits to justify cutting more government intervention and services .

Lol hey man I can get on board with calling taxes you haven't paid yet penalties. I just think it's funny coming from you.

Maybe we could just go with a 100% tax on everything. Then there definitely would be no deficit. We can all go on government programs and it'll be happier ever after. What's the worst thing that can happen right.

I am not sure how killing these two bills is removing environmental protections. Its just hindering getting CDN resources to market. Instead you want to continue importing resources from countries with no human rights or environmental standards.

I am still waiting for an answer on how the carbon tax is going to save the world from climate change?

I think a better direction is to put standards in for pipeline safety. I applaud the Liberals for increasing the standards on the Trans Mountain pipeline. They should have been there from the beginning.

Oh yeah I haven't Thanked Justin in a while for buying a pipeline. Thanks Justin

I was watching a piece on Global last night about how the Assault Rifle Ban is a joke and will do next to nothing eliminating gun violence as most gun deaths are pistols. Though 82 % of fols support it but only 37% think it will help.

If he truely cared about gun violence he would ban pistols and make it mandatory sentence for those using a pistol in a crime.

More firearms being banned without public notice following May 1 order from Ottawa
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...nced-1.5589519

The list has been changing, but don't worry it's something they have been working on for a long time. If Trudeau actually cared about victims of gun violence there would be an inquiry into the botched handling of the NS shooting and how the RCMP were warned about the shooter before.

Agreed, but this is the point of C69. The review process from harper was an utter joke. It was much better under trudeau, but for transmountain as well it was basically them making it up the process, even if they did it with much more deference to environmental concerns. So there was a pretty wide recognition that for major energy projects like this there needs to be an effective regulatory regime process to approve these types of projects, and that was the goal of C-69. Now of course reasonable people can debate the details of C-69, like whether it does enough to ensure environmental protections or is too deferential to them, perhaps we can debate that balance, but to get to the point where you don't even recognize it is about environemntal protections AT ALL and seem to think it is ONLY hindering paths to market seems wrong:

Ya pretty hard to get worked up over the travesty that this weapon is banned.

That is not the point. Trudeau is making it out that he will save lives by banning these guns when in fact he may not save one. He is clearly using this and death of the Nova Scotia people to boost his popularity.

If he truely cared about crime and endless deaths he would ban handguns and increase the sentencing for folks that use them in a crime

oh Yeah still waiting

I am still waiting for an answer on how the carbon tax is going to save the world from climate change?

Shifty you ignored me when I said it, but maybe hearing your bud say it will help clear it up for you that you were wrong?

Uke I think you and I may agree on more things than Shifty and I . At least were civil about it

I've given the timeline on this previously:

They have a clear mandate and have worked on it a while. Just like other major steps in gun laws in canada like what followed l'ecole politechnique, having laws follow a major tragedy is not unreasonable, it's a sort of natural consequence of how people focus their attention. After every single mass shooting in the US, the conservatives say no no not the time you can't politicize this, and then of course do nothing in the in between times. I also don't see your criticism about "boosting popularity". He SHOULD pass bills that have wide support, that are part of his mandate and got him elected, aiming to boost popularity by passing popular bills is just democracy.

I agree he should go further. I'm supportive of ending handguns, at least in any urban areas. I don't think that is a criticism of the modest step of banning assault style rifles. He had a very large consensus and mandate for moving forward with assault style rifles, and that seems like a laudable step.


I've responded to this repeatedly already. I think your framing is bad. Do you want me to explain it to you again or are you capable of skimming the thread yourself?

it's true, you are kinda a socialist* too


*by shifty's definition

My point is that accusing trudeau for creating big deficit but your solution about lowering corporate tax instead of giving people money directly in their hands still creates deficit ...
So why complain about trudeau if your solution isn’t better .

And btw think about this , who the fack going to pay the deficit ?
I mean I would be ashamed if I was you to say :
It’s the people that stuck to pay the deficit and the debt but let’s take that money and give it to to the corporation with tax breaks instead giving to the people that needs it ....,

Please give me a break about your “better” solution and complain about trudeau bad decisions when you can’t come up with better and certainly with less ethic solution ....

I understand you don’t like liberals but at least critics them on stuff that is actually valid .

Ps: btw I know you don’t believe this but there a margin between 0 % and 100 % taxes ...

Just the thread # would be great. As it looks to me its like a Morbidly obese person consuming 5000 calories a day and you charge him an extra dime for each Coke he drinks. He is still fat

We all are if we drive our roads,call the police or Fire Department or use our Health Care System. Even worse if we took any of that CERB or Biz Loans the government offered We live in a Socialist Capitalist Democracy. Democracy is kinda gone with Tyrant Trudeau in charge

Lol if it's the poll I looked at the other day then it's a poll of 1000 people. The petitions had 100k+ signatures in a few days.

The guy calling everyone socialist doesn't understand statistics.

I signed it as well but you need to realize the majority of CDN's support Justin Trudeau . A majority of CDN's would vote to ban all guns other than Rifles and Shotguns and it would not shock me if they be fine with those getting banned as well.

The conservatives would be better off just telling CDN's that it does nothing and when they win reverse it.