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11-24-2021 , 11:23 AM
The "okay" symbol is always contextual, which is not the case with the swastika in contemporary culture.

If the high-five eventually sails into oblivion, and then some racist group adopts it later, then the high-five would be a unique signature of the racist group.
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11-24-2021 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Siberian13
Can we still do down low?
That's called a "low-five".
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11-24-2021 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Again Laggy the context here, as per all the discussions in the thread prior is not that.

It is 'if White Supremacist adopt any secret hand shake, gesture, etc. as their acknowledgement of one another being either in the group or simpatico to the group, and for whatever reason you find yourself in a racially charged conflict and White supremacists show up to give you support and enflame the matter should you flash them that symbol that FOR THEM is a gesture of support'?


You are bending over backwards hear to rationalize your veiled support for racists by pretending it is something else and avoiding this question while replacing it with another.

I agree you and your nephew are fine flashing OK at one another.

If you, however show up to the 'jews will not replace us March' and you are standing at the March's edge as everyone walks by and you hold your hand up in THIS gesture to the marchers who flash it back...





The context matters and your attempt to white wash away the context and provide cover to obvious racist dog whistles would make OAN proud.
The bolded is just stupid. I am firmly against all forms of racism. Another stupid "soul read" by you. You might want to get out of the soul-reading business, since you're really terrible at it.
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11-24-2021 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee


Again though this is all a strawman chez that you are reacting to here, so you should understand that is not the point.


i have to assume others like Laggy purposely stuffing the strawman are doing so to deflect from the real point they want to shade..



If tomorrow any one ends up in a conflict that ends up blowing up into a racially sensitive issue and it draws Proud Boys and other WS groups out of the shadows and in to support of your position all WE ACTUALLY SAYING (strawman aside) is that if you are going to hang out with the Proud Boys and other avowed racists and flash their signs, we have a right to point out the dog whistle racism.

.Laggy is arguing below that such dog whistle racism is all fine and good society but trying to shade it with the strawman suggesting this about kids and their uncle who flash ok. No one here is suggesting that bad and trying to take away that power.

Only an idiot would have to assume that.

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11-24-2021 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Rittenhouse Picture With Proud Boys Was a Setup
Given Lin Wood’s bizarre behaviors (ask Nick Sandman) this recount by Rittenhouse is quite plausible.
Lotta coincidences. I guess having Wood as his attorney originally was another coincidence? Who me? Don't know what you're talking about--I know nothing about all of this stuff On my way to hang with trump lol
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11-24-2021 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
Could you elaborate on the punishments meted out by law enforcement in the Kenosha riots? You’re essentially claiming that the mayhem and destruction in Kenosha was punished sufficiently. Can you back up this claim?
A quick google shows over 250 arrests.

Law enforcement doesn't mete out punishment, the judicial system does.

You guys are kind of scary.
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11-24-2021 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I would have thought you would be someone who wouldn't cave in to the Racist Mob of Pea Brains.
Racist appropriation of the OK symbol and Pepe The Frog has been a story for several years now, it’s odd that you’re this confused about it in 2021.
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11-24-2021 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Where did I say I approve of vigilantism?
Business owners standing guard and shooting looters is vigilantism.

I thought that's what you were saying was a reasonable solution to a riot. Sorry if I'm missing your point.

I was saying I thought Dueces had a valid point when he said you shouldn't take a life for property damage.
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11-24-2021 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Racist appropriation of the OK symbol and Pepe The Frog has been a story for several years now, it’s odd that you’re this confused about it in 2021.
I see your point, but I think the OK symbol is far too ubiquitous to be successfully appropriated. I didn't even know what Pepe the Frog even was until it was appropriated by racist groups.
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11-24-2021 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes
Ah, I see... "anarchy, fine; defending person/property from anarchists, not fine."

That's all you had to say.

Honestly, it's ideologies like yours that push me the other way, just saying...
My man over here is afraid of anarchists.

How many anarchists exist in our world in late 2021? A few hundred? Somebody protesting, even if they are committing crimes while doing so, is not necessarily, and very unlikely to be, an anarchist. Wait, I guess there are "anarcho-capitalists", forgot about that brilliant ideology, ok, there are a few thousand.

No, you just want business owners and other related ghouls to have the ability to legally shoot protestors, to which RFlushDiamonds has alluded.
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11-24-2021 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
A quick google shows over 250 arrests.

Law enforcement doesn't mete out punishment, the judicial system does.

You guys are kind of scary.

Well, the function making the charging decision is typically the prosecutor, who routinely cooperates with the police. Prosecutors are often political and are subject to political pressure, although many of us wish they would make charging decisions based on an unbiased analysis of the evidence.
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11-24-2021 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
The bolded is just stupid. I am firmly against all forms of racism. Another stupid "soul read" by you. You might want to get out of the soul-reading business, since you're really terrible at it.
And yet you are avoiding at all cost addressing the ACTUAL issue while stuffing this strawman.


Will you answer if you think it is fine for someone in the context of communication exchange with known white supremacist, such as the 'jews will not replace us march' to be flipping each other the OK sign???


You will never address THAT question, and instead flip it to suggest a kid and his uncle should be free to use it to give shade to people like Kyle blatantly using it with known white supremacists.



It begs the question, whether you like it or not, of why you are so vested in throwing shade for Kyle and others in this situation in the exact way OAN and Fox news does??
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11-24-2021 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
A quick google shows over 250 arrests.

Law enforcement doesn't mete out punishment, the judicial system does.

You guys are kind of scary.

The fact of an arrest means almost nothing with respect to a charging decision.
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11-24-2021 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
The fact of an arrest means almost nothing with respect to a charging decision.
LOL

If there's no arrest there's no charge so that logic doesn't seem very bullet proof.
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11-24-2021 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
Well, the function making the charging decision is typically the prosecutor, who routinely cooperates with the police. Prosecutors are often political and are subject to political pressure, although many of us wish they would make charging decisions based on an unbiased analysis of the evidence.
And the prosecutor works for which branch of government ?

I honestly can't say for sure with regard to local governments but I know at the state and county level police are part of the executive branch and the DA s are part of the judicial branch.

I understand they work together but I'd expect a lawyer to know that law enforcement has nothing to do with meting out punishments and that's by design. And by 'lawyer' I mean any middle school kid who paid attention in the civics portion of his social studies course.
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11-24-2021 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Absoluely.

I dont use the ok thing but if we're two fingers or thumbs up or anything else I do then they can just **** off.

totally ridicuulous idea that we're supposed to rollover whenever a few twats on the right do somethign.
As I said before, I don't think everyone should spend all their free time researching the latest white power hand gestures so that they can be sure never to hold their fingers in a certain way.

But I am curious how far you would extend this logic. Suppose that this OK gesture becomes universally understood. Everyone knows that it signals support for white supremacy. It may be your preferred way to signal OK, but in any normal social context, it is going to be interpreted as a white power gesture. In other words, it becomes like the middle finger in the U.S. It may be your preferred way to point at the sky, but if you make the gesture in any normal social context, it is going to be interpreted as "**** you."

Your position, I assume, is that you would continue to use the gesture?
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11-24-2021 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
LOL

If there's no arrest there's no charge so that logic doesn't seem very bullet proof.

Yes, obviously. But an arrest in no way implies a prosecution.
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11-24-2021 , 01:30 PM
Ok symbol means you're a lib socialist. Problem solved
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11-24-2021 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
As I said before, I don't think everyone should spend all their free time researching the latest white power hand gestures so that they can be sure never to hold their fingers in a certain way.

But I am curious how far you would extend this logic. Suppose that this OK gesture becomes universally understood. Everyone knows that it signals support for white supremacy. It may be your preferred way to signal OK, but in any normal social context, it is going to be interpreted as a white power gesture. In other words, it becomes like the middle finger in the U.S. It may be your preferred way to point at the sky, but if you make the gesture in any normal social context, it is going to be interpreted as "**** you."

Your position, I assume, is that you would continue to use the gesture?
Which is exactly what happened with the swastika.




It's adaption by Nazi's lead others to drop it.

But even that misses the point as Laggy and Chez are referencing 'direct communications between Kyle and the WS and defending that in that instance Kyle should be free and fine to use it because the symbol has other interpretations'.

That is the context of this discussion which is Kyle using it in conjunction with known WS.

It is a big bridge further to defend that than normal usage by others not associated with WS.
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11-24-2021 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
Yes, obviously. But an arrest in no way implies a prosecution.
If implies that the prosecutor will examine evidence and consider charging you, which is pretty far along in the process if you've actually done anything illegal.

I mean, if you think the Kenosha Da's are refusing to charge possible felons that's pretty serious. I'm still not going to be convinced that vigilantism is the best solution.
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11-24-2021 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
If implies that the prosecutor will examine evidence and consider charging you, which is pretty far along in the process if you've actually done anything illegal.

I mean, if you think the Kenosha Da's are refusing to charge possible felons that's pretty serious. I'm still not going to be convinced that vigilantism is the best solution.
They have the right to defend their business using the threat of force! Deal with it.
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11-24-2021 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by honkler1945
rosenbaum, huber, grosskruetz, and jump kick man were all assailants. Their behavior that night was consistent with their violent criminal history and the general foreboding atmosphere of the terrorism inflicted on kenosha.
could you elaborate on that? specifically, rosenbaum. With what weapon did he use against Rittenhouse? No weapon, you say? Rittenhouse testified that he knew Rosenbaum was not armed. Ok, so, surely Rosenbaum launched some sort of projectile at Rittenhouse? No, not that either? Clearly he choked him, or punched him, or kicked him, or shoved him. Wait, you're telling me that Rittenhouse killed an unarmed man who never laid a finger on him?

So if Kylie was defending herself from Rosenbaum, from what, specifically, was she defending herself? What was the threat?
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11-24-2021 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I am firmly against all forms of racism.
Keep saying that. But I'm not convinced.
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11-24-2021 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
A quick google shows over 250 arrests.

Law enforcement doesn't mete out punishment, the judicial system does.

You guys are kind of scary.
In other words you have no idea what the convictions were and what sentences resulted. Pretty much what I figured.
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11-24-2021 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Business owners standing guard and shooting looters is vigilantism.

I thought that's what you were saying was a reasonable solution to a riot. Sorry if I'm missing your point.

I was saying I thought Dueces had a valid point when he said you shouldn't take a life for property damage.
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Originally Posted by DifferentName
My man over here is afraid of anarchists.

How many anarchists exist in our world in late 2021? A few hundred? Somebody protesting, even if they are committing crimes while doing so, is not necessarily, and very unlikely to be, an anarchist. Wait, I guess there are "anarcho-capitalists", forgot about that brilliant ideology, ok, there are a few thousand.

No, you just want business owners and other related ghouls to have the ability to legally shoot protestors, to which RFlushDiamonds has alluded.
So to clarify, if a mob of rioters comes through a residential street and you step out onto your lawn with an AR15 (not pointed at anyone), this is being a vigilante?

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